A Big Month for Bigfoot

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Jesus Christ, you better. See ya! Hello? Get somebody out here. Well, here we are, folks, everybody, on this Monday. What are we? October... Columbus Day! Columbus Day, Indigenous Peoples Day, whatever you want to call it. I'm not a big fan of Columbus, I know. My Italian heritage is probably screaming at me. But you know what? The more we learn, this whole thing was an accident. So God bless America. Okay, no. Okay, no. Okay, I understand that Columbus was a scumbag. And technically, he didn't find America, as we said. On the West Indies. He found South America in certain parts. But he introduced it to Europe, which means that's why we have a Taco Bell down the street. And you live in Chicago, and I live in Wayne. And Henry lives, well, he's in a backwoods. But the point is, if he would have never stopped at that piece of rock, this would never happen. Sorry, go ahead. We can thank the French for Henry May. I'm pretty sure that's him. Cajun influence down there. But it is. It is Columbus Day. And now the baker feels good about defending a megalomaniac who decided to. I'm not defending him. I'm just tired of hearing the shade when the guy screwed up, sure, but he had a dream and he followed through with it. And then all these other people showed up and screwed people just as bad. Okay? Hitler had dreams. Mussolini had dreams. We don't celebrate them. No, we don't. No, we don't. So. Sometimes history is great to look at in hindsight. Yes. That's why it's history. But we also have to realize that today we reap from what that history is, and we need to either shut up and give it back or let it be. Oh, boy. We can't give it. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. That's right. We can't give it back, so we need to let it be. Stoically, it's never been good, and we tried to give anything back. Right. And what did I do? All I said is, Happy Columbus Day. That's it. That's all I said. That's all I said. I did not make a political statement out of it. Happy Columbus Day. That was the last news. That was the last week's news. Which, thank you, by the way. At least we didn't get boycotted by the NAACP. Or Canada. Listen, you're the one pissing off the Canadians. If you would stop. Canadians love me. I had a bacon the other day. They really don't like you, Jim. The Pimas. Whatever. It's not bacon. No, no, no. It's a Karen Canadian. They don't count. Oh, man. Oh, a Karen Canadian. And there we are. So, big moments this week we have, or this month. It is, well, I guess, Henry, October 20th. is considered to be National Bigfoot slash Sasquatch Day. Yep. And so on that day, it's also Proctober. Henry, did you want to give any warnings out there for our friends? Uh-oh. Here it comes. Get your colonoscopy. If you haven't gotten one yet, get one. Yeah, so who's not playing? After that, smooth sailing. Hey, listen, we have a large platform here that we like to, you know, there's men's health is important, just like any other gender's health. And we have to make sure we're doing our due diligence, turning our heads and coughing, you know, getting the prostate checked and make sure we're getting a colonoscopy. It's very important. I'm so depressed right now. More men die because we don't take care of ourselves like that. We have to. We need to be paying attention. I'm next in line. Yes. I got a while yet, but listen, the moment they say I'm going to be with Henry, not with Henry, but I'm going to be following Henry's suit. And there's nothing against pooping in a box and shipping it to the doctor, not to your neighbor, to the doctor. And my box is still sitting in my bathroom. For well over a year now, I'm not pooping in a box. No, I'm not doing that. Just give it to Baker. He'll make sure it goes somewhere. It's better than drinking the funky water and have somebody go way deep. Oh, boy. We have gone so completely off the rails right now. Back to Columbus Day. Back to Bigfoot. Listen, Columbus Day upset me. Colonoscopies should upset everybody, but they're a necessary evil. Yes. And Henry wanted to share, not his experience, just wanted to share that, that it's important that men take care of our health. Yes, and Henry, we're glad that you're feeling healthy. We are glad. We need Henry around for another 20 years of Sasquatch experience. Yep. Henry, I don't know if it's because you were doing all that prep, but... You have been quite busy there doing some reading, so why don't you talk to us a little bit about what you've been reading and what your thoughts are on those books. Well, I read David Wilbank's book, Kayamichi Bigfoot. It's really terrific. He has many reports in that book. He also talks about the controversial but never seen casino video. Casino in Canadian County, Oklahoma, which some have seen, but not a whole lot of researchers have seen it. We have not seen it. Is that the one with Nero? No. Okay. That's Casino, the movie. There's actually a Casino video. No. That was taken at a casino. Yeah, and that was, from what I found, pretty interesting, but I'd never seen it myself. No, and I think what Henry was saying, a lot of people haven't. Go ahead, Henry. Continue on. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to jump on you there. That's fine. No, no, no. Hardly anybody has seen it except for a few researchers, and that's about it. And he does talk about it in the book a little bit. So what did you think of it overall? He does. I gave the book a high mark. I gave it a 9 out of 10. Wow. Wow. Are you sure you're not just getting generous in your old age? no in all seriousness i have the book it is very good and it's a it's a and it's not a voluminous read it's pretty uh no you can tackle it in a setting if you really try it right yeah and we'll put that in the show notes so people can go get a copy of kai michi bigfoot now he wrote another one called uh champagne which is a fiction book yeah But still interesting nonetheless, I read that. So go ahead. What else have you been reading? Well, I read J. Michaels' Bigfoot in Mississippi, which is a short book. It collects all these different reports from the GCBRO, the Gulf Coast Bigfoot Research Organization. But there's also an investigation that was conducted by J. himself into some deer kills. Hmm. Interestingly enough. Wow. And the deer kills were quite unusual. What was unusual about them, Henry, if I can ask? Well, the. Inner contents were mostly intact, except for the liver, of course. Yeah, fascinating. A lot of creepers like to eat the liver. That's pretty fascinating. And what's interesting about that, Henry, is that a lot of the deer kills we found up here in Pennsylvania A particularly gruesome one that was found by Joe Baiello up in, I think, Wisex, Pennsylvania. Up in, I think, Bradford County, if my recollection suits me. I'm going right off a membrane of this one. They found the deer carcass jammed into a tree by its legs, and the heart and the liver were missing. Right. Ooh. And so that we see this happen quite a bit um with the heart and the liver and of course you know suspicions over the time has been the suspicions that that's where the nutrient rich organs are right that you would really benefit from uh calorie rich nutrient rich organs so uh it's very fascinating and we Something we really haven't talked about in a long time. I mean, not just us, but we don't hear a lot about it. But when Matt and I were doing our town hall, which we had some great representation up there. Gwen Purcell from Got Knockers was up there with us. And Bree from an independent researcher who's now part of the Sasquatch Experience Research Team. She was up there joining us and her fiance for a great day. And we had a nice turnout. And the folks were very chatty. One of the things we had talked about was, you know, what these things eat. Great question from a young lady in the crowd. You know, what could sustain them? And, you know, the things that we just talked about, those deer meats and those deer organs. Right. What a great way. Go ahead. No, my point is, even as humans, we consume a lot of liver from other animals. And it is a very nutritional supplement to consume that. So it doesn't really surprise me that a deer would have its liver removed and consumed. None whatsoever, because we do the same thing. Right. I think when you break it down to just a logical thought process, you know, what are you going to eat off the animal, which is going to give you the best bang for the buck. Right. No pun intended. We, down in Gray Station, Pennsylvania, down in Derry Township, or near Derry Township, we had reports of the carcasses being picked up by these creatures and carried off. And why, you know, when you could get a meal, expend the least amount of calories possible, and get the most, you. Know, benefit. Why would you not? And we do it, right? Why would we think Sasquatch would be any different? Why would we not think to be anything more than just a really professional scavenger, if we were to think about it? I was thinking about Butch Wachowski the other day, our friend Butch. I know you were. So was I. And people, you miss your friends. But one of the things Butch had always asked is, Where does it leave its trash? It's got to have to have some trash, right? Where does it leave its remnants from the things it eats? Where does it leave its, you know, remnants from the, you know, we don't find Bigfoot latrines anywhere, right? Where does it leave its residues? I would say it's out there somewhere. I do think it's out there somewhere. It's probably just so obscure that we haven't been able to pick up on it yet, but You know, like you, I saw that you posted about Butch the other day, and it was kind of funny because I was thinking about him at the same time you were. That's not a coincidence. That happened for a reason that we were both thinking about Butch, and maybe that'll bring us a little bit closer to an answer because I think Butch probably knows something we don't know yet. Well, it's funny you say that because it happened to be a case that he and I had investigated together. But also, I posted that Magnus, one of our long-time listeners, had said he had also been thinking about Butch lately. And then Brian Bowden, a good friend of mine, Brian Bowden, Sir Brian over on his podcast was telling me he's been thinking about Butch quite a bit lately too. So I don't know. Put that in whatever proverbial place you have. I've been a little bit more nostalgic lately. And I think a lot of it you know, has to do with, with reflections on this, a big year for, this is a big month for us at Sasquatch. Sure it is. Yeah. Right. 20 years ago, Henry and I put this shindig together, two guys just talking about. Oh man. Unbelievable. Who knew we would have an audience that, you know, even though we did go off the air for a while, we'll come back with us in full force. Right. And, um, yeah, but you know, you think about these things and we, More so, probably to get into the topic of tonight's show, and we'll start hitting on it now for the folks that have been with us from the beginning. There's been, and we haven't addressed it, really, aside from just a side comment here and there, but the documentary capturing Bigfoot coming out on the 20th, National Bigfoot Day, really taken the community by storm, and not just... in a real positive way. I mean, there's been a lot of detractors and naysayers on the documentary that none of us have seen yet. Well, very few, you know, I think Larry Lund has seen it. Uh, Eric Falcos from Harry man road has seen it. There hasn't been a tremendous amount of people that have seen it, but a lot of negativity and they have started a companion podcast to it called capturing Bigfoot podcast. Right. And they've had, uh, Tom Steenberg on there, uh, Eric Palakos, Greg Long from, you know, making Bigfoot. I know Henry and Greg Long aren't exactly buddies. He's not somebody that, you know, there's definitely a stylization that, you know, Greg Long was really, I think, off-putting to people. Kind of brash and a little bully-esque at times. But, you know, again, he stumbled upon it. He didn't go after the Patterson film initially as... Anything more than he just stumbled upon it while he was doing a UFO book. He was writing a UFO book. And then was out in Yakima and said, hey, wasn't Roger Patterson from here? And that sent him off on the direction. And then so he kind of is the genesis, I feel, behind the Capturing Bigfoot documentary. Because Mark Evans, the director... listen to the hundreds of hours of audio tapes that Greg Wong put together from the interviews he did, which is important because some of those people are dead. You're not going to be able to, unless you get a Ouija board and some recording material, aren't going. To be back up. We're not doing that. Right. And, and so like, regardless of if we liked his style or his presentation, you know, I think it's important. And I think Tom Steenberg, if anybody goes to the Capturing Bigfoot podcast on YouTube, listen to Tom Steenberg's interview. Because ladies and gentlemen, this is exactly how a Bigfooter needs to conduct themselves in today's world. And honestly, listening to that made me, I don't want to say fall in love because that's a little weird, but really made me admire Tom Steenberg again. He made a good comment. It was funny. Because Henry and I had talked about this, and he had said the exact same thing before I said it, which was incredibly bizarre. Was it not, Henry? We had like a moment there before the show came on. And it was both of our biggest takeaways from Tom's interview. And Tom says at the 50-minute and 51-second mark, he actually says it a couple times in the documentary, in the interview, but to wrap it up at the 50-minute and 51-second mark, he says, We're supposed to be researchers trying to answer a question. We're not supposed to be religious fanatics pushing a faith. And when you go to the core of the Patterson film, it really... You go into two camps, pro or con. There's always been those guys kind of like me and Henry, depending on the mood or the time of year, where we've waned from one side or the other to the fence. But, you know, I think... we've always had somewhere in my gut, I've always had a problem with it. And I don't know what it is. And listen, we met Bob Gimlin, never got to meet Roger Patterson. Unfortunately, Roger passed away way before I was even a twinkle in my daddy's beard. Um, and I never got to meet him. And like the guys we've talked to, Tom is that perfect branch. And folks, seriously, go listen to it. I don't care what you think about this upcoming documentary. If you're pro and con, I want you to go listen to Tom Steenberg as he breaks this down. Because he also breaks down his big-footing career. But probably, honest to God, one of the best interviews I've heard in a long time, conducted from somebody who, listening to Mark, he has no skin in the game. You know, he's not going to stick around Bigfoot after this. This was kind of a one and done deal for him. Right. And I tell you, I was pleasantly surprised by, for somebody who's creating such a stir with, you know, coming out with this polarizing documentary, he's very even keel and very fair. And, you know, to the point I think everybody makes, welcome Tyler to the show in our chat room, Tyler420. Thanks for stopping by. Um, I think even though he's created something like he's being very fair minded about it. And I like that. Like to me, that's a, uh, that's a good mark. And I think that adds a little bit more credibility for me to want to watch the documentary that I haven't. you know, I was, I was always going to, I was always going to watch it. It wasn't going to be all, you know, it's anti Patty. I'm not going to watch. No, I'm always going to watch it. Uh, I just wanted to know the agenda going into it. Now that I've listened to a couple of these, well, I actually listened to about three or four of these, uh, interviews. I was impressed. Each one I heard, it built a little bit more faith for me. And Henry, I'll let you, because you listened to the Steenberg interview again, you can go ahead and talk on it as well there for a second. Well, I completely agree with what you said about Thomas and his take on this whole thing. The thing is, Thomas said in another interview that he's been friends with Bob Gillen for over 30 years. He says, if Bob Gillen's been lying to me, then I'm going to call him on it. I'm going to call him, ask him why he lied to me for all these years. Well, and you know, Henry, because I think there have been moments where we go back on our own journey on this, right? 20 years and actually our friendship that goes well beyond a podcast, right? Where, you know, I always used to joke with you about it, you know, which way you were going to flip flop on the video or the footage based upon what you were hearing, right? Um, and here we are now 20 years later, past that date, actually 20 plus years later for us. And we may be at the cusps and, you know, Seth, I, I, and I appreciate Seth's position on this because he and I have talked about this for a long time. He has no interest in watching. He's not even a PGF guy. He doesn't care. And I, and I think, I think maybe it's not the caring as much as we, some of us just want the closure. Like the, we've, we're so long we've, this has been on it. And it's actually been like a, just a pain in the ass and a thorn in the side of researchers because so many people, so many people hold that as like the Holy grail of Bigfoot research. And it's just a component, you know, and there doesn't just because this, even if it's proven to be, Oh, it's a damn good story. But I mean, at the end of the day, Vance, you know, it doesn't, detract from the fact that there are still hundreds of years of folklore behind it. Absolutely. No, I have a good friend of mine. I've known him for over 26 years. He's not in the Bigfoot community. He's, you know, very Christian-based, but he knows what we do with the Sasquatch experience, and he's really excited about it. And in his basement... He has this enormous train set set up and he's got a Bigfoot as part of his, you know, model train set up. But he told me probably three weeks ago that he did three different A.I. inquiries into the Patterson Gimlin Bigfoot film. And all three came back to him that it was not a disproven image. that there is a very great possibility what he was looking at was a real image. And I was, because I never did that. I never went to AI to look up Patterson-Gimlin film. But all three of these, and he went to, you know, Google and Grok and whatever other AI that he did do. And he's like, you know what? All three of these came back to me that this is a very real image. possibility that this creature is a real thing. And I explained to him, too, you know, my opinion on the whole thing. I'm like, yeah, well, when this was taken, you know, Planet of the Apes was coming out, and this, if this was a suit, wow, it's absolutely mind-blowing. Why would you put breasts on it? And he agreed with me because that was part of the feedback that he got from AI. So I took that as a big, I don't know how you take it, but it meant a lot to me that he researched enough to come back with this kind of information to me and say that. And I'm like, yeah, I totally agree with you. I don't think back in that time era, you know, that that type of suit would have been created. I just don't think so. And you make a valid point because I've had that conversation multiple times. What was the value? Like, really, honestly, at that time and that time and place, faking a. Bigfoot sighting wasn't like faking. One today where you can be on YouTube and you get to go to ABC News. And you get to have a fake body in your cooler. And da-da-da. I mean, yeah, there was. Listen, before you take that too far off on that tangent, Seth brought up something I was just going to talk about. And it was just in response to Vance's comment with, you know, Patterson's sketch of Bigfoot had breasts. The William Rowe Bigfoot had breasts. And so it would not... And Patterson, being a very creative person, You know, I think if he was going to do it, why not put the breasts on it? I think, if anything, that would try to lean people into that, almost the misdirect advance, if you think about it. Oh, who would take the time to put titties on a Sasquatch? That's a really good point. Yeah, right? But he was a creative person, and his track record with his imagery, his own work, shows that. And knew how to draw a titty. Yeah. He could draw some breast disease. So it, uh, there we have it. Before we cut back on this, let's go to the, let's go to the bullhorn, you know, we'll get that taken care of. We're already at, uh, we'll come back and talk a little bit more about what's on our mind. No, the D cups right there. Patty is going down. Big boobs. And on that note, as soon as I find this video and play, we'll be right back. Make sure you get the right. News team, assemble! I saw a commercial that said, forget everything you know about slipcovers. So I did. And it was a load off my mind. And the commercial tried to sell slipcovers, but I. Didn't know what the hell they were. Now, is a hippopotamus a hippopotamus or a really cool apotomus? Yeah, I don't know of any other fat animal that would be cool, especially a hippopotamus. Crush your head like a watermelon. Well, happy day to you all. I hope you're joining us live, but if not, we welcome you to the Sasquatch Experience. And we're here to talk about Bigfoot. And here's a couple of stories, or a few stories, that I find rather interesting. Out of southwest Pennsylvania, mini Bigfoot sightings. And when I say mini, I mean M-I-N-I, not M-A-N-Y. Two separate daylight encounters involving unusually small, upright, hair-covered figures occurred back-to-back days in August of this year in rural southwestern Pennsylvania. And it was investigated by researcher and our friend Stan Gordon. We love Stan. On August 18th of 2026, a woman in Indiana County, Pennsylvania spotted two light brown hair-covered figures only three and a half feet tall crouching near a wood line. They stood up and ran like they were playing and made baby-like cooing sounds and stared at her after she sneezed. Now, on August 19th of this year, a woman in neighboring Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania, encountered a charcoal gray five-foot-tall figure running beside the road. That it made a sharp, mechanical-looking 180-degree turn before vanishing down a hillside. Out of Money Sing, Michigan. Wood knocks and footprints. Back on August 24th of this year, a couple exploring wooded terrain near Munising, Michigan, reported finding unusual branch structures and distinct footprints with toe detail, accompanied by an earthly body odor scent, similar to James Baker's fart. Although, I would say the Earthly body odor scent would probably be more pleasant. I'm sorry, James. When the husband whooped into the forest near their truck, they received matching responses. Wood knocks. Two quick knocks. followed by four slower knocks, which mirrored further tree whacking communication. How do you whack a tree? All right, everybody discuss that amongst themselves because, you know, we're a family friendly show. On August 11th of this year, a camper near Tamarack, Minnesota, reported hearing a loud, unusual screech multiple times outside their camper while their generator was cutting out. The witness, who noted previous personal cryptid experiences in the area, including prior 7-foot-tall humanoid sightings, shared the audio disturbance and details online via Reddit. Now, Colorado Railroad sunglasses sighting. In mid-August of 2026, without a specific date, travelers riding the Durango and Silverton Narrow Gauge Railroad in southwestern Colorado captured an amusing and wildly discussed viral report of a large, hairy figure appearing to spot sunglasses in while moving across the sunlit landscape. You know, a Bigfoot in sunglasses. How big would those sunglasses have to be in order for a Bigfoot to wear them? Anyway, when we come back, we're going to go Almost Heaven, West Virginia, Blue Ridge Mountains, Shenandoah River. Okay, I'll shut up. We'll be back. You're listening to the Bigfoot Bullhorn right here on the Sasquatch Experience. Lightweight and simple to use. It uses an easy to load five round magazine and is powered by an eight gram CO2 cartridge. Berna launchers fire a 68 caliber chemical filled projectile using a patented pull pierce technology where the CO2 canister is only punctured on the first trigger pull, meaning your launcher is always at the ready. 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Includes guest speakers? live entertainment, folklore learning sessions, and community gatherings. Thanks again for listening to this edition of the Bigfoot Bullhorn, right here, exclusively on Anomalous Entertainment's Sasquatch Experience. And as always, until we meet again, keep your toes in the mud. Oh, there he goes. And there we are. Live entertainment. Thanks. Oh, I hear Vance again. Welcome back, everybody. Sasquatch experience. How we all doing? Yeah, we're doing well. Doing good. Henry, you live over there? Yeah. All right. So before we took a break, we were just kind of discussing, you know, capturing Bigfoot in the podcast. Oh, there he goes. Right, Brian? That's my favorite part of the whole thing. That's the Easter egg right there. There he goes. Oh, there he goes. I've been out trompsing around and getting stuff ready. Small Town Monsters had their live stream the other night and talked about some of the upcoming projects for 2027. Yes, I said that right. 2027 is almost here. I know, right? How quick is that? Anything Bigfoot related, I'm always on board with. We know that. I got to diversify my cryptids a little bit, though. Baker, you had some things you wanted to discuss tonight, so let's move into the second part of the show and let's let you have it a little bit. Okay, so I've been getting a lot of. Reels, and these weren't porn, I promise. From a guy who does whitetail habits. Make sure that you spell it right. It's about deer, not whitetails. Yeah, sure. Well, he talks about deer a lot, and he's talking about how a deer from anywhere from 10 to 50 acres is its home. And it knows its home. It knows every deadfall. It knows everywhere where it can bed down, where the rain hits, where the rain doesn't. And they were talking about how if you were looking to, say, you're an archer and November is your month to shoot as many deer as you possibly could, You don't set up all your stuff in November. You set it up in September or even August. That way then the deer don't notice that they make it part of their environment. Right. And they see it as a danger. He also talks about how if you're going to go into the woods, go into the woods. Before it's dusk or go into the woods. While it's still daylight, because when you go into the woods at night, everything from like 10 miles, like a half a mile to a mile away can see your headlamp. And it, it basically creates a trail from where. You were to where you are. And then those animals don't go near it. So I said, again, it's white tail habits on, um, he's on the Facebook, uh, really good guy. He gives a lot of, and, and I always say, everybody always goes, well, why do you pick animals that, you know, that I know exist? Because then, you can turn that into. Things that are possible for an animal that may not exist. In other words, if something affects a bear, a deer, frogs, whatever, it's got to affect a larger creature. If something affects the great apes, it's got to affect a larger creature. So that science doesn't change, right? So if you get a chance to see some of his stuff, it's well worth it because it'll give you a lot of wilderness experience. Because, Forger, we've had this conversation multiple times is when somebody puts up 40 game cameras and gets nothing. But if you let those game cameras up for three months, you would get every animal that crosses a path because they would realize it's not a threat and stop avoiding it. Now, I know we hear that they make light and they make sound and whatever, but here's the thing is, though, leaves and all kinds of things make light and sound to, you know, make, make sounds and whatever. And eventually they ignore them. Like when I'm up at my land, I can hear walnuts hitting the ground that first couple of weeks that what is that? Who's tromping around in the woods that now it's like, Oh yeah, the trees are a little wet. They're getting heavy and they're knocking the walnuts off or the squirrels are eating them or whatever. No. Um, so, I mean, if you look at it, if you look at it from those perspectives, you have a better chance of seeing things. You know, or something. So I just, I thought I'd bring that up and maybe you guys have something to chime in. Well, no, I think, you know, you hit that, the points on there. And I know there are folks like, why is he always talking about known animals, but we should learn the habits and behaviors of known animals so we can eliminate them as sources of the noises or things that we're experiencing, right? Like, Nothing annoys me more than taking people out into the woods. And James, you've been out there with me when we experienced it. And we hear noises of animals that we know and people get bent up and they, you know, create a scene because they don't know the environment and the sounds that they're in. And at first of all, like aside from it being frustrating from a research standpoint, like to Baker's point, learning as much as we can prevents us from making those mistakes. And especially when we're trying to do things like collecting evidence or it's, it's becoming so to the point now where, you know, just spending time on the audio that Matt and I have been doing so much on the audio, trying to understand the sounds of known animals in the areas we're researching. So when we're listening to audio, We can automatically rule that out, right? Like that should be, we should be using the powers of deduction to go through these things and eliminate. So when we do have something that can't be explained, you know, we can say, oh, well, we'd consider that or we vetted that. And this is what we know is here. This sound doesn't quite sound like that. But if you have a better suggestion, let me know. Or maybe. You have something from another area that managed to maneuver its way here, and they just sound different. It's like whenever there's a crime scene, the first thing you do is they take fingerprints from all the people who live there so that they can get rid of those or narrow down where they were at the time. And we had the pipe in the library, okay? You know? Yeah. The other thing they said was is, and I thought it was really interesting what he said was, is we have a shuffle. When humans walk through the woods, we walk. We might walk 14 to 25 steps and not stop. Animals don't walk that way. They walk three to five steps, they stop, they shift a second, and then they move again. But that's a differential in noise. That's a differential in how your gait is and. A variety of things. I know we always talk about tracking and things like that. But if you look at it like how humans moved, Deer don't move that way. Bears don't move that way. They'll go so far, they'll stop. They'll sniff. They'll move their head. They'll check out the areas, you know. They will do all these things, and then they'll move again. And they won't move in a straight line. A lot of times they. Move in a diagonal, or they move in a separate way, you know. So, like, we are looking at, we are trying to find a creature in the woods, but we're acting so human. That we wonder why we never find it. Because I think we're like a gleam of sunshine. In the middle of the woods. Like, oh yeah, there's Bob. Yeah, you're not seeing me today, Bob. No, but I think to your point, if we are trying to blend in a little more, make ourselves less obvious, maybe we should stop acting so human. You know, maybe we should stop being us on purpose and start acting a little differently, right? Maybe throw it off. But again, I think if you look at something like, such as the Sasquatch, which probably has a much better visual acuity, like, aside from trying to, you know, confuse incenses, are we, you know, would we be able to do the visual fooling? You know, and that might be something different. Like, does it matter that much to the deer? Like. Come on, watch so much of the deer's activity. Like they're so used to you on the land. Now they could walk right up to you. Right. But you start throwing different people out there. Yeah. Like you're, you're habituating yourself to their environment. Right. There's that word that we don't like to use. Because they're coming over for garlic. Right. They're coming to you for garlic. Right. Like, um, yeah. so like you've acclimated yourself to their environment. Now they're comfortable with you. Like at what point, you know, when we look at these and we could take it that way, when we look at these habituation situations, like, and listen, I've always been a critic on that. I think I've always been a critic because most of the people that do have them are lying, but the people that may be having these ongoing encounters, uh, you know, could have just been the fact that they've, immersed themselves in the environment so much that they're just. Used to them right but there's also an intelligence level because i have a cam game cam i have five game cams from my land that you can see when people enter it when people move to the little mini putt i have i bet you when i read that footage there's probably 27 pictures of me being you know and fixing stuff and whatever it's like before and afters and whatever but i can tell you now that if I'm out there working and I'm shoveling and huffing and, you know, screaming at something cause a rock won't work, they're watching me, but I could pull my camera out and take a picture of that. They wouldn't care. Okay. And that's where I have a trouble with habituation is, is that if an animal is so, um, used to you, at what point does it matter what you have in your hands? Do you know what I mean? And again, that's where the, that's where I make the argument. There has to be an intelligence if it's not doing it or you're lying, you know, that. So let's stay on the habituation thing for a minute. Uh, you know, to your point, at some point you're going to build up enough trust for this thing. It should be coming up on your cameras, right? For some reason it isn't. Now there are folks out there that, so listen, I, You know, our friend, Sarah Brown, they had some amazing activity out on their property. And I think they might have some interesting footage, but there are, but there are other folks out there that, you know, damn well, we're just making it up. Right. And yeah, it's, it's strange that, you know, maybe prior to the technology boom were folks didn't have cameras and, and stuff at the ready. that maybe they've had those relationships and built it, and you just wouldn't be able to get that information from a technological deficiency. But in the years of, let's say, the 1990s on, somebody should have gotten a picture. You would think. You would think, right? But now I'm not saying that this. And again, we know. That it's, it's difficult, especially now the technology is starting to come along where it's the camera cameras are getting so much more advanced. The sensors are getting more advanced that even low light shooting conditions are becoming more possible. Uh, we're, we're able to eliminate some of these technological issues we've had in the past. Right. So when we, when we, we, we consider all that, I, I, And again, though, like this is where I'm struggling with myself. So sorry if I'm not making sense. You know, Mickey and the chat, they know a smoke pole when they see one. Right. And I mean, part of that, I think, goes to they've also seen humans enough point objects at things and those things end up dead. Like just because they see us do it. Can they can they can they delineate between a gun and a camera? You're pointing at something that's making a noise. Chances are you have a 50-50 shot of that noise taking you down, right? And that is accurate. But at the same time, if I have a shovel and I've used a shovel for six weeks straight every Friday, they eventually realize the shovel is not a threat to them. So if I'm using deer again, but those deer see me with a camera taking pictures of my land, I've gotten to a point where I can almost reach out and touch one. I wouldn't because they bite. You know, they're as pretty and neat as they want to. Go watch that anti-Bambi film on Tubi and you'll see. Okay. But the fact is, is that deer, you know, or the other thing is I don't want to break the magic. And I get that. To a percentage with the Bigfoot community. You don't want to break the magic. I like the deer that aren't threatened by me. I like the fact that I can pop my head up after digging a hole to put a footer in or to put a pond in, and there's a deer staring at me three feet away. I like that because I'm like, oh my God, this is like the neatest thing I've ever seen. You know, you get like giddy as a. Schoolgirl, as they say in Indiana Jones. You know, but I don't want that magic to end. You know, and I think sometimes with habituation, it's the same thing. They don't want to push their luck, not because they're afraid that it'll hurt them or it's going to do whatever. Or that, you know, it'll, they don't want it. They don't want it to run away because you decided to do something awkward and not like in a weird, you know what I mean? I'm going to, okay. Do you know what I mean? Where you don't want to manage the thing? Anybody? No, I know what you're talking about. Vance, Henry, go ahead. Well, you know, I have been habituating, and this sounds ridiculous, squirrels in my area. And I put a handful of peanuts. I have one squirrel that is so aggressive, he actually comes through my screen door into my kitchen going, hey, mister, where's my peanuts? And I was like, yeah, you know what? This goes a little too far. I don't want you coming into my home looking for the peanuts, but I can completely understand that if you are putting apple pies, whatever you're putting out for, you know, a Sasquatch, I can see that it would be kind of aggressive to go, yeah, I want a little bit more of that. Can you give it to me? I just cannot discredit that. And I think you point out, like I said, the animals aren't stupid. Even if it's a flesh and blood creature and has some intelligence, even we pick deer and bear, and I say that, then they don't have a huge intelligence, but they're intelligent enough to thrive and not be all killed by hunters. So there's some percentage there, but most of it's, what's the word I'm looking for? Feral and, you know, and instinct, not intelligence. Like, I saw a flash of light off a button off my shirt, it runs. Whether I'm a threat or not, it still runs because the flash is off. But if I raise a shovel that I've raised up 15 times and I've never tried to throw it at them, they don't see that shovel goes. The same with when you first start driving a car, everything is everything is you know oh my god i'm gonna hit this oh my god how much do i press the brake and then what five years later you're driving down the highway and nothing phases you you know press the brake or you know you do all. The same exploding deer you know. But when you. Started driving it was like it was the same way as when i started driving it was like Am I pressing enough? Am I not enough? Am I going to get 15 feet from the stop sign? Right. Well, you know, and, and I think that as. Time goes on, we habituated to drive it. What, you know, how long will it stop sign? How many, how many yellow lights have you ran? Because you knew how long it was going to take to turn red. But that first time you hit a yellow light, you're like, oh, stop. You know, cause I don't know. I'm not answering that question. The advice of my attorney. Yeah. Okay. No, he drives like a grandma. A vaporizing deer. Yeah, right. Yep. Listen, you see one, that's all it takes. Yeah, you know what? But I understand why forkers are afraid of deer. I get it. I'm not afraid of deer. Oh, no, you are a little bit. No, listen. No, I'm not. Because they attack you. What I get annoyed with is people yelling deer every five seconds when you're driving. And the people you're driving are deflated. You're the sober one and they're yelling deer. That's what I get annoyed with. But he's not afraid for an unjust reason because he almost hit a deer and the sucker turned around and. Rammed into his car. I'm like, you ain't got me, bro. You know? Yeah. Yeah, but it did not vaporize into, you know, kink mist. I've never seen that before. Oh, yeah, that happens all the time. Yeah, again. Nope. Regional. Nope. 47, 48, 49 years old, I think, at the time it happened to us. Because that was like, what, four years ago? Nobody in Pennsylvania ever said, oh. Yeah, it just vaporized. No. No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't. Yeah, it vaporized. And then Meldrum says, oh, yeah, it happens all the time. Come here. No, it does not. No. I was there. I am not making that up. He said it. No. Forka grabbed me by the arm and goes, don't you dare yell at him. Oh, man. I love that man. Welcome back, Henry. Most of the unique conversations I've ever had at any of the festivals or events or whatever it is, I would sit down and he'd sit next to me for no apparent reason. We'd shoot the shit for like 10 minutes about nothing about cryptids. We'd talk about some chicken sandwich they got over at the bar or, you know, whatever. There's far more important things to talk about than vaporizing pink mist. Because I've always treated him like. Cause I always treated him as a man, not as the Bigfoot expert. And that was, that used to irk a lot of people. They'd be like, you spent 20 minutes with Meldrum. What'd you talk about? I was like, well, he was having a burger. And I think I was talking about the fries need more salt. And then somebody tried to talk about feet, but I ran them off. All right. Well, I mean, and you know what though, like here are some, you know, we, you know, we talk about the Meldrum, but you know, even when we were with John Majczynski, you know, we learned a lot about bears. And again, like as much as we're a podcast about Bigfoot, we try to keep the conversation flowing about it. There's a natural world that we inhabit that we need to learn more about so we can understand it better again. So when we come into contact with things we can't explain, we can really say, yeah, that's unexplainable as opposed to, you know, it being easily debunked. And I think Baker, you said something really telling earlier, not wanting the magic to go away. And honestly, I think the magic enhances when you're able to use what we talked about, logical deduction. And, you know, when you're able to eliminate things and still not have an answer, that's pretty magical. Right. And that's. Yep. The way we need to be. As we said earlier, the Steenberg quote, you know, we're supposed to be researchers asking questions, not religious fanatics pushing an agenda, right? Like we need to be out here investigating, being curious. I think there's something to being open-minded, right? But again, you know, and I quote Steenberg a lot tonight because I really think just by watching some of the things they've done, um, with Jason's documentaries there on SESC, on Small Town Monsters out in Canada, and just seeing Tom Steenberg hit some of these interviews, I really resonate with him because I think that we think about things the same way. People always say, well, people have nothing to gain by talking about Bigfoot sightings. Well, that's not true. Sometimes people are lonely and they need five minutes of faith. They need 15 minutes where someone's making them feel the point. And yeah, the more incredible you make your encounters, the more people want to, you know, want to investigate. And we live in a world right now where it's all about, pardon my language, fucking clicks. It's not about the truth of the information or the veracity of the information. It's about what's going to drive attention to me and what's going to get people coming. To the program. And, you know, again, I use our show as an example. We try not to do the sensationalism as much as possible. We, we don't do the click bait. We try to be science. And I know that's boring for some people sometimes, but you know what? It's honest, right? And I'd rather be the show that's based on honest and credibility than the one where we're trying to, you know, get clicks for things that, you know, what, what's the clicks do? I could share one. You're here, mister. Yeah. The clicks don't do anything. I totally agree. It just waters it down. It waters it down. So you made a point earlier, and I won't go over this too long, but there was a commercial for the Ring camera. On the other day, and the guy goes. I'm from blah, blah, blah, checking your packages to make sure that everything's good, and he keeps talking and talking. And, you know, we always talk about people who want someone to believe you. The story just gets more realistic, and they add more features and whatever. Deluded, right. Right, but they're doing that. Because they want you to, in their mind, they think that you're believing them, but honestly. You just sit back going... effing crazy trying to steal a box off my porch you know. Right but if you ever see that commercial you know exactly what I'm talking I'm sure Matt has had hundreds of them he finds somebody on a scene and goes they start giving someone credible tale and he's like you know all you had to do is say you walk by and I'd have believed you but the fact that you remember what color your shoes were and it was 9 15 p.m. Exactly you know right the more I think the more detailed you put into it, the less credible it becomes. But also you're going to have that, you're going to have that rare witness that really does, you know, have that photographic memory, you know, that eidetic memory where they're able to remember some of those fine details. But the majority of the time it's not going to be that way. However, also keep in mind that somebody may be experiencing something extraordinary because we haven't experienced it yet. It doesn't mean that it's not, it didn't happen. I think we have to really use our ability to discern. We don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but we also don't want to drown it. And we can do that very easily in this field. And there are people, and also, and this gets a little conspiratorial, who would put it past somebody to be out there misdirecting people on purpose? Especially if we're in a situation where we are coming up on frequency of encounters becoming higher. We had a big conversation about this. There's economics involved here. Whenever there's an economy involved, you know, fortune favors the dollar at the end of the day. Guys, it's 10 o'clock. We've hit our budget. No way. For the night. What? 10 o'clock. Any final thoughts from you guys before we close it out for the night? I love everybody that showed up here tonight. Thank you so much for being here. Yeah. Had a good viewership across the spectrum. Don't forget. Our next show. Captain Bigfoot. Tuesday. Yeah. And we'll be talking about it on our 20th anniversary show on the 26th. 1026. Mark your calendars. It's a two-hour event. What? Yep. Two hour event. Holy cow. Oh my goodness. I'm going to have to do an extra special little Bigfoot bullhorn for the 26th. Wow. Look at you. All right, Henry, take us out with those dulcet tones, my friend. Y'all be good. Be good at it. Yeah. Yes, sir. As little as two bucks, right guys? Little as $ 2. Yes. $ 2. A lot of things coming our way. Check us out, folks, SasquatchExperience.com. And, as the credits will say as soon as I can find them, keep on squatching. Aww. You've been listening to the Sasquatch Experience. Please rate and review wherever this podcast is consumed. For more information, please go to our website, SasquatchExperience.com. Keep on squatchin'.