Bigfoot Across the Pond

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Okay, what's he doing in your yard? Going to. Join us? As we continue into the investigation of the Sasquatch. Experience rules and jodles of goodness waiting just for you. What night, we got a great guest tonight. It's not about us, it's about our guest tonight, Andy McGrath. Andy, were popping on with us tonight. It's twong them your time, which makes it even more special. We're just glad you agreed to join up with us, and it's great to talk to you again after almost a decade. It's it's awesome and it really doesn't feel like a decade Sean, you know, and it's a When I noticed that you're on the podcast, Van said, Okay, fantastic. Back to the beginning, which you know is a great phrase right now with the last Black Sabbath conterever we all right name right and the UK back to the beginning, that's a good place to star. Wow. Absolutely, it is great point to bring up there. Right. We'll just give a little bio on Andy and then we'll go into the you know, a little promotion that we do at the beginning bands if you guys have anything to bring up. But just to our listeners who may not be being familiar with Andy m grath, he's a cryptid researcher with over twenty five years experience called the Sherlock Holmes of Cryptozoolo and seeming the full connects modern day encounter with ancient folklore, painting a picture of ethno beasts, f no known beasts that might exist, just be on the edge of scientific discovery and the human imagination. Whilst continuing his literary pageant for cryptive and out of place animals and other parts of the world. He is also working on a new television series celebrating some of the unsign's news and forgotten beasts of zoology and far flung locales around the globe. If I could talk tonight, it would not as he appeared on tenvienni radio and podcast shows such as Sasquat Chronicles, Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo Talk Radios, and The Unexplained of Howard Heath and Good Fluod Breakfast Show This Morning. He has a regular contributed tabloy newspaper, The Daily Star, and has appeared in documentaries Elusive and Fix and Stones UK Bigfoot. Is also the host of Beastly Theories podcast, a self described low tech, low cany, low brow endeavor to discuss the highs and lows of cryptozoology research and his obsession with some of the most renowned researchers. In the field. Andy, hopefully that's up with the date and modern and if not correct it but it's great to have you here. Busier man than me. I'm very yeah, I'm very happy to be here. It's slightly slightly dated now. The TV show that I do on on History Channel in the UK anyway, Blaze, it's actually called Weird Britain. It's about history, histories, a Crown Fables of Britain, which includes cryptids but everything else from history that varies the places as well. And that's when the second season in the middle of that at the moment on Wednesdays and Fridays on the Plays and History and and I would love to do a crypted one at some point, but I haven't quite managed to get that sold just yet. So here's the hope. Yes, very good, very good. We hope so too, because we really enjoy seeing our friends on the TV. I have a face for radio, you know, I say, pretty true to that. Uh you know for some reason or me too. With women over forty, so like there could be an untapped market for. You. Actually, it's nice, nice boy thing. But I'm over forty. I'm forty nine, so I'm not fifty yet, but I'm one year away. And yeah, I seem to be really attracting a certain demographic of ladies at the moment. Who what a night boy. It's not good for you. And Evans can't go anywhere any older with women or he's gonna Yeah. No, I look, I'm at sixty four and I still lest still come in. Hey, you have any No. I don't have any interests. I'm sorry, I don't. Did you say, yes, I'm sixty four doing well. My friends are doing well. He's listening. You can give me the secret. I have no secrets. I don't know what it is. I have no idea. It just happens. So this is how it is. He stays young, that's all he likes. He preserves himself. Well, he likes the Redneck Riviera. But other than that, he know, Yeah, the Redneck Riviera right here there. It is. It's a I thought it was location. No, it's the drink. Okay, I love it to talk about. Not not Vance's fountain of youth here though. I mean we could bring that. Up as a topic, then we could. Yeah, I'm super in our m L. We'll bring that up y right. And I met this ninety year old man who's still piloting a boat across the nest and you look very young, and I said, what your secret And he said, in sort of slightly drunk voice, copious amounts of whiskey. And that's wow, right, keep drinking. Wow, Wow, that's amazing. As Brian says, hose and bourbon. As in bourbon. If you talk to people who live over that age of one hundred, one of the things they talk about is that they haven't stopped consuming the things that they love, whether it's doctor pepper. Yeah, you just had to be internally happy. That's the biggest thing, just being internally happy. I plan to live till I one hundred and fifty. I'm gonna well, good luck and I'm pulling for you, brother, I'm going to do it. Yeah, I'm pulling for you. And. Just making sure we have enough time there because there is a little bit of lag. Folks, bear with us as we get through this. Andy we got you know, you've offered several you know, pieces on the UK big Foot, and I have to tell you one of the things that and I don't know about the entire team. I've always been on the fence about the existence of bigfoot. In the UK. You know, it's an island nation, you know, not a lot at least to me, points that there's a thriving environment for a primate to live. But I'm not always right. In fact, sometimes and more often wronger than I am. Wite. I just want to get your you know, right off the bad. What do you think, Andy? And with all this folks are in history, you know, why would I be wrong? Well, you know, I went in hard on that. For many, many years there was a lot of modern day sightings that were proclaimed in the UK, and I literally basically went around the country investigating these locations, looking for evidence, looking for proof. But I also went much further back, investigating something called the woodworlds. The woodworlds are these hairy manlike beings that appear on cathedrals, mainly churches and tapestries starting from the late Middle Ages, and for all intense purposes, they resemble what we would depict as a bigfoot today, absolutely more of a man like face, their heair covered beings, and they're all over Europe and all over the UK. And I thought to myself, surely this must be like a smoking gun, that these things are either here or were once here and people saw them and described them, or passing, and they were carved upon our churches. How often in our churches and cathedrals they're seen either as some sort of warning against this sort of sinful, lustful nature of man, uh sevious nature of man. Or there's scene as a sort of like a road to salvation, a way that you should be following to return back to Christ. Some people often cross that over with the green man as well, that has the the the the branches and the leaves coming out of his mouth that appear on grotesques and other carvings around churches. So I went into that. I thought, okay, that's the smoking gun. I find it. All the locations went to all the far from places that I with the hoology of Britain and with various assessments that happened that actually said that a massive amount of the UK is mostly uninhabited. So it was something like I think it was one point nine percent of Scotland had rural settlements including roads and cities, ten point six percent of England, four point eight percent of whales I think, and something like four point five percent of the Northern Irelands something like that. Anyway, right, there's huge amounts of land, there's and I've got to Scotland a lot. There's just empty space everywhere, and there's all kinds of prey animals. But that doesn't make it so, doesn't mean that there's something is here, just because the ecology and the absence of people does exist. And sadly, after looking to all of these sightings, which I'm not doubting the witnesses where they believe they saw, I could not find any physical evidence, not anything anything like a footprint like you get in the United States very often here there or hairs that could point to an actual living species be here. Right. But with that said, if that's said, the scene kind of concept exists here. Also, everything that you just said exists here also. I agreed it does. But at least you have or at least you have a formulaic form of evidence. You have footprint cards, many of which are fake, but many of which cannot be it can be proven to be fake. You have some hairs, some more dubious and others. There's there's footage at least that proclaims to be of the Sasquat with the UK just have the sightings and people kept staying to me and you're missing out on the paranormal aspect. There is something here that is that is paranormal, that relates more to something like a weir wolf in paranormal circles, and that's an entity that's been manifested and brought into this realm. Happens, and there's a throwback or a replay of something that wants did exist, as we see carved upon the tapestries and the cathedrals, which I'm not really fussed on that theory. I'm more of a flesh and blood kind of guy. I started like, there's a lot of people around in the UK especially, Sure, there's a lot of empty space, but we have a big cat problem here as well. Lots of panthers and pumas, and they're large predators and they're scene all the time on capture one and we have very little evidence. We have some DNA evidence in etc. But we can't capture them because they're great, you know, ambush predators. If that was the same for the UK big Foot, I think we'd just be seeing a lot more of it at this point. Now, I don't want to say it because until you know the fact, Laby Saint, so to speak, the show is not own soul. But at the moment I'm not, but I am doubting the evidence very seriously. Well, that is actually a point that we make on the show quite a bit. Is the fact is that if you look at animals you understand, like you said, the cats, then you can also look at an animal that may or may not exist and go, okay, well, if I can't find this thing, then maybe there's possible this thing. Also a lot of our ancient legends at least, yes, a few of them came from the Americas, but a lot of them came from the UK and Britain and things like that from English descent. I mean like if you go through, if you go through. Like a lot of the classic horror movies, they're set in London, you know, they're set in English countryside, you know. So I mean there's there's a lot of possibility there. And I'm glad that you have an open mind and says hey, because that's what we look at me and four girl the time like okay, well for bear can make it two hundred miles in a day and nobody saw it. How come this thing. Can't you know, maybe not two hundred miles. One have to week there as well. Baker with I got into trouble a little while ago for actually saying a lot of North America's cryptids have at least a descriptive basis in European sources, and the way I related that, like Bigfoot being like the woodwalls, dog band in the wheel, for cetera, et cetera, even the Puckwardy being like a park course sort of a little hobgoblin or imp from European folklore, and the way I actually expressed I described it when I was looking at sightings of the Duende. Al Duende in Latin America, South America and also comes from Spain and Portugal and also the Philippines. Of all those countries got in common Spanish colonialism. Either the Spanish were importing this mean little dwarves all around the world and set of shipping them out to the places they invaded, or we inherited those countries inherited either the mythology of not the mythology that that terminology and that picture in their mental library to describe what they're seeing one or the other or welth perhaps in some cases, and it's the same case for North America and Northern Europe, either that the script has been passed on and that's why we see things now, or we're inheriting where we're sortadly passed on that mythology which has now become canon, actual tradition with its own foundation in North America, to the point which seems like a completely unique and original creature to me. It seems like its sources in least describedly. No, that's a really good point, really good point. One point I would add, I'm sorry. One point I would add to that is if you look at the dragon in the old time paperwork, even like Britain and China and whatever, they didn't know what a dinosaur was until the eighteen hundreds. A lot of times call these. Bones and cave picture or like perts in a in a cave picture or something they didn't quite understand. I'm not saying the caveman's all dragons. I'm not or sell dinosaurs. I'm not stupid, but like they they they couldn't put together what it was before it was a dinosaur, and that's where a lot of those lare came from, you know, because NeSSI would be considered a sea monster more than an assi. Believe that we now think more of a dinosaur. Right, isn't Well? I was going to bring up that our connection right now to the British Isles, we were all one continent at one time. Your Scottish Highlands are essentially the same mountains as the as the Abalachian Mountains, and during the time of Pangaea there was the split. And I do believe, especially from theology from what I've read about the British history, that there may have been a big foot type creature there, but what killed it was probably the Industrial Revolution. Once everything started, all these beautiful forests over there have been logged down and you just have the patches and patches of old growth that remain. It's always possible you may have had one or two of the species that would have been able to uh uh remain. But but again, we were all connected at one point, which is where I think a lot of these old time traditions, these old time mythologies were basically birth from after after the continent sweat. That's my two cents. Oh, you only think you're really confined and even you know, in the even in the in the the way that we're expressing that there could have been a late extinction for some of these woodwards like creatures in Europe, for example, in Britain and Western Europe. I think a bit further over to the Caucus Mountains, uh, and even further along to Uncle, you've got the Almasty. And the Almasty actually has sightings. It's five to six foot tall, hair covered creature, looks very much like a woodwords actually and lives almost in the human like, very Cayman human like fashion. So at the Caucus Mountains, and there were sightings there right the way up until the Second World War and afterwards, and a lot of people actually believe and they were people were having like interactions with when they were in habit sort of empty sheds and the cold there and in the winter steel clothing of people's washing lines or bits of old rags to cover themselves with to keep warm or steal their crops hemp and things like that. And yeah, I think it's it's really amazing that that could have They could have been there until very very late, and a lot of people in those areas when they were interviewed, they said, well, their grandparents said, they used to be very uh, they used to be very prolific in these areas. But after all of the depredations the war and the Russian Revolution and all this that stuff, they died out and it became less and less people started seeing them a little bit less. I thought, well, perhaps the our mastica is a link to the western European woods as well. It's just another version of it, only you know, our our scribes and our scholars and our sculptors in the late Middle Ages would carving something that had been described to them that no longer existed for us, But for those people in East Eastern Europe at least, it was still a feature of everyday life. How creepy is it that you would have a undiscovered almaid wearing human clothes. I mean, that's creepy within itself. Maybe it's but look at the way that apes, even chimpanzees and gorillas behave sometimes if they and especially orangutans, if they see people using things, they just kind of copy that's true, and that's true. Well, then it is also yeah, that counts. Well, that's what And North America wearing and Lane right right. Accounts of them laundry and procuring it, learing it. But then our fag and just said, just not long ago, I watched the video of an orange parent try to put the jacket on. Yeah, that's I'm sorry, that just is is super creepy. It is it's memory. Yeah, they may not have a daily the constance really because they will that then you know picniques we had popped about, you know, Pangaea. You know, Matt would wrap it out there and and you you founded them a little bit. I think it some of that theory being that was some of those wild men soon in the day when helping and then I think about the stories of the almost when Russia these yeah, the images of them, but they don't really they look more like their Neanderthals and they do what we think of the Sasquatch. They were very different. Yeah, and they seem sort of thing happened a slightly different sort of niche is it that I'm just looking up? Actually the so I wrote a book about different bigfoot like creatures around the world called hairy Humanoids and the regime. Kaufman, who was this very famous. The research that was out there in Russia and and in the CAUCUSUS especially. I can see how quote that she says, before the war people mentioned the village. Before the war, there were many Almasti's around our area, even masses of them, one can say, but today very few are encountered a lot, you know. The all witnesses would sort of talk about this basically, but then coming to their fields and stealing the hemp, and they used to love to eat it, making these big sort of nose blowing noises as they were enjoying it, and how they were really afraid of dogs and occasionally would be trapped by soldiers in these these little sort of barns that they would hide out and the winter was very cold and just flee but had this sort of super strength as they could just really you know, run like crazy, or just leap out and take on like a you know, at least breaks through like a group of men and head out into the woods. And great stories really really, she recorded a lot of stories, actually her first first person witness reports in that area, and I just thought, well, you know, there seems to be reports like this all over the world. Actually, if either very hairy human like beings or very large ape like beans. With they're a bit more upright to have high intelligence, at least for a creature of that species, and in fact with people in some way, and they feature in their folklore, they feature in their legends. But also the same as having the UK in North America, even parts of Russia and China and Australia other places, there's always lots of modern day sightings of them, Like people like you or I have this experience. They can't explain that. The old I can't and see what I've seen. I might be a lawyer or a barrister or a doctor, but now I'm going to risk my entire profession to keep telling people I've seen something. I can't explain. That kind of thing that happens to people all the time that respond when they're very quite yeah, quite often. I've encountered a lot, and I just I don't care what happens to me. I've got to let people know that this happened, it was real. Yep. Basically yep, yep. Vance, We're gonna go ahead and take that mid show break. Now we'll come back right after the Bigfoot bullhorn. Folks, you're listening to the Sasquatch experience, Sean Folker, Vance Nesbitt, James Baker, Matt Arner and tonight's guest and the Grath talking about Bigfoot across the Pond. We'll be back right after this. News team a symbol, but I am a snowflake. Uh. And I also have an FMK on order. If you don't know what an fm. K is, it's a it's a clock replica, it's a handgun, it's a pistol. And I am going to be a gun toting snowflake after my bigfoot experience out in the woods, because I will never walk out into the woods again without a gun. And that gun will not stop a big Foot, but it will stop me. I just need one. Bullet, you know what I'm saying. I Am not going to be a Sasquatch sex slave. I don't want to hear how loud I might scream. That's the point. Well, maybe bring a gun big enough to take out a Sasquatch. You think we can get into the budget Sewan for twenty four million dollar m one a one Abrams tank. That'd be kind of cool. Great night vision capabilities on that thing too, and that'd be big enough to take one out. I was wondering, though, if there's any Bigfoot that we're suffering, any PTSD after this past weekend's you know, redneck fireworks show that happened nationwide, wait till next year. They're probably thinking to themselves, why is it the hottest time of the year when we are most miserable covered in air and these humans are blowing up bombs. Well, Happy Monday night to you all. As a follow up to a story that I did a few shows back about a father and son that were bowfishing and a squatch jumped out of a tree and then ascended up a hillside, here's a follow up from Action thirteen News out of Monroe, Michigan. I a detailed report of a bigfoot sighting is still making waves in Monroe, Michigan. One of the great. Questions of our time and has some wondering whether somebody will spot Bigfoot again. Thirteen Action News anchor Tony Geftis is back from Monroe tonight. He's live in studio with the update. Tony Lee Christian. This report was published online by the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, which deemed the sight incredible. It was picked up by the Associated Press, and now people all over have heard there may be a bigfoot in Monroe. A reported bigfoot sighting in Monroe, Michigan has made headlines across the country. I heard a lot of talk about it. In fact, when I first heard about it, I was in Baltimore, Maryland, and I heard about it there and I said, oh my gosh, I leave home for a week, look what happened. Bob Virgil's Voice of the Toledo Wallero County Resident says the report of bigfoot near the Pleasants Road is a talker. The account by a local man and his son was published by the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization. It took off from there, even prompting a nearby cannabis dispensary to offer a discount to anyone who comes in with photographic proof. There was what was called the Monroe Monster years years ago. After the first fuel was loaded into the FIRMI one reactor, someone saw a big creature out near the Fermi power plant. And so I think it's really funny that this was spotted near where that was. Although they didn't really say what the location was, but it's near where the Monroe Monster was seen way back in the nineteen sixties. Some may wonder whether it's the same creature from the same lagoon. Now, I did reach out to the forty seven year old Monroe man who made that report. I reached out through his tenant who called him. We're going to keep you posted as to whether he can give us a first hand account of what he and his twelve year old son saw along Tamarack Creek. Christian ants not Christian, but good try anyway, at least you didn't have to listen to me talk about it. It's still an interesting report, although again Matt Moneymaker says it's a very plausible account and it could very well be. There was just a couple of things in that report that initially had me scratch my head, saying, well, the witnesses said it started moving towards them, and then it was as sending up an emhankment. Also, which direction was it going? But who am I? I'm a nobody. When we come back, we'll all sit around in a circle and watch Sean pitch a tent. You're listening to the. Big football vern right here on the Sasquatch experience. As anybody ever told you, Hey, nice Knockers. If not, just visit got knockers dot org. Read about the encounter they kick this whole thing off. Plus you com purchase one, two, three or more tree knockers. I'm not sure what you thought we were talking about. Got Knockers has a plethora of gifts and merchandise two from awesome apparel, ware. And even something for the baby. Find jewelry and sausage to please anyone's taste bud, stop on buy and give a hello to Gwendolyn and Michael herself. Now that you know where to get some great knockers. 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But there's over one hundred episodes of the original one Team bill and do that through as well. So our guests tonight, Andy McGrath, coming to us live from the u K. A little after thirty is time. So glad you're joining us tonight, and in being Matt, you wanted to take us in from the next break, So go ahead, buddy. I I appreciate that. Thank you so much. Andy. The one thing with North American Bigfoot history is that stretch us back, particularly with the Native Americans, in going back to two thousand and two, you know, two thousand years that we see these these legends that have been brought forth generation and generation. One comparison that I was thinking of when it came to the British side is BeO Wolf and Grendel. What do you think with the with Beowulf and the you know, the monster Grendel. It's portrayed very similar to what you would consider an alnest or a bigfoot. What are your thoughts on that. I think it's very very possible. Remember in that part of the world they have the troll var, which are these huge og like creatures that can be very hairy as well, and I think would be good matches for all today we would consider to be a bigfoot or a sasquatch. What's weird about the beowolf epic. They don't describe it as a troll var, They don't say it. They they describe it as this beast. They say that by wolf pulls off one of its arms. That's how he kills it. It bleeds to death. The boy the arms, and it seems more like some sort of kind of fine mouse and some kind of lasid creature of some kind. And some of the ways it's described, it's not very specific. It could be a big foot like creature, it could be petrol of off. But what confuses me is why do they not call it that, because that's their word for that creature in that country, yet it's not used. So yeah, that's a bit strange. But in Grendel is the obviously the big one. You know, everyone on this side of the pond too, is Red Beowolf in college or high school. Now, are there any other uh, mister legends from around that time or even even stretching back into the Roman period? Uh, that would be similar to a big foot Almah. I you know, I don't know, apart from going way, way, way way back to the Babylonian period, which is is an anky he described it seems to be harry. But even Hercules, by the way, is described Heracles in a very big Foot like terms. He's very big, he's very hairy, he's very muscly. It has this kind of super strength as well as this virility that sort of takes around the place and gets involved in adventures with But there is one here, a tale from the King Arthur epic that could have a Bigfoot like crossover, which is the tale of Sugar Wayne and the Green Knight. Now, when I was filming Weird Britain recently, we actually went to Lud's Church. Which is in something called the Roaches In It's in sort of Mercier area in the High Midlands and it's very hilly, very rocky area. Lots of great legends around there, and what are these valleys in the middle is in all of this Green Master's called the Green Church, or literature is the Layer of the Green Knight. So the story goes that the Green Knight was a giant of kinds, greenish at least sort of slimey greenish, covered in this either hair or scales of some kind. And he comes to Arthur's court and basically boasts that he can defeat any knight, and he offers the go to lunch Church a year later and have his own head struck by the Green Knight. And he tries to cut off the Green Knight's head. He almost says that he doesn't quite succeed, and the Green Knight sort of walks away and says, I'll see you in the Europe. That's beside the point. The descriptions, even the drawings that you get here in kids' books. He's wearing armor of a kind, but he just looks like a giant, Okay, it looks like this huge, hairy sasquatch kind of creature. I always thought, oh, there was any root of truth in that legend. If if that one is, there is there a retelling event. I haven't seen that one. And there's been actually a few of the Green Knight. I know, there's been a few of those, just like the the the other story we're talking about beil Wolf. But in that one, well, Angelina Jolie is kind of a dragon slash naked stick. But but but in the Beowolf that I watched was the reason that the reason the creature was different was because it was kind of a hybrid. There's a little bit of her and a little bit of a king. That's right. But the mother is the clue because in the Bewelf story, I think be Wolf is a kind of dragon of sorts, and the fact that his mother is depictured as a dragon as well, I think has a bit more of a clue in it. Then, of course it's a mystical creature, is it rough not, that's that's the name of the king. We're supposed to have slept with them being tempted and birthed this monds if you asked the video you now I've seen it. I've definitely it's the first time I've ever found attractive. I'm going to be honest. But yeah, I mean there's a lot of course, you know, missing legends. They're melded together for a reason. They tell stories. There's that kernel of truth, and also they get borrowed, they get passed down. We discovered something here again recently filming this series all around Britain. You go county by county, country by country, looking at all of the legends in every single county around the UK, and what happens a lot of the time is that these legends are repeated and there's these themes that occur again and again and again, but they're changed slightly. And what we figured out is the bards who used to be the poets of old that would pass news around and stories. They would make a living by telling these stories and tales, and they would get room and board for them, and they could criticize kings and do whatever they wanted. In fact, if the bard criticized was a king, you couldn't kill them, and they get essentially ruin your reputation, so you had to be aware of the bard. Anyway, the bards will go from town to town telling these same stories for you know, food and wine and somewhere to sleep. Of course, they can't tell the same story in the same way all the time. They would slightly modify it every time they went to a new town and perhaps fit it to that locale. I think a lot of these stories same probably in North America too. You get that kernel of truth that's been modified time and time again to share with a new audience. Interesting. So my question is, on a scale of one to ten, ten being the most definite, what is your opinion that this creature definitely exist in the UK. I'm gonna I'm going to very very sadly, and I say this like remorse and sorrow at my heart. I think we're on about a three point five right now. Really are strong witness strong witness testimonies, that's the three point five. Okay, Yeah, I can completely climb on board with that. That that's that's a good assessment, And that's. Not beneficial to me vance to say that because you know, in our industry, the yarn as we just talked about, the tale that that tails that are spun, that's all part of it. You always amused me that every conference you go to in the US, every single local bigfoot group from every county has their own foot pre cast right somehow right and then selling. So I'm not saying the wall fake or anything, but it's it's it's part of the it's part of the merchandising, isn't it. Yeah, it's community right. I think that it's unlikely that it's here, but it's it's the truth, and for me so far anyway, it's what I've come up with. I've just got to stick to it, you know, better or words. But I respect that because if you you're on the same page i am. I've never seen anything. I've heard a lot of stories, and the people that have seen things, they're honest about it most to that, so I believe there's something and something happened to them. But like I'm at like a four to two like I at this point, I couldn't say one hundred percent yes. Be this. You know, Andy, what's the most compelling story or recollection you've heard about from a big foot encounter in the UK? I'll tell you read it. It's my favorite story. It's there's two, but i'll tell you the main one comes from a primate keeper thirty seven years worked for major Zoos in the UK. He was a promatologist, herpetologist and he actually, by all accounts, he retired and he used to go wild camping in Scotland with his brother every summer and most of the UK. You can't just camp anywhere you want. You need permission, but in Scotland it's completely legal. You can just pitch up a tent camp wherever you want. So that they're in a place called Strasbey Forest, which is not far from Locknest, maybe twenty miles away from Lockness, and it's part of the old Caledonium for a sort of a remnant of it, this big forest. He has been the north of the country and they've decided to hunt rabbits in the morning. They've spotted the field where there's lots of rabbits, and they've got light arms because we don't really have biguns here, so they've got these light arms are going to take that will kill a rabbit. He air guns or something like that. So they get a bit five in the morning they go into this field and they remember there was lots of blackberries in the field and that's one of the things that sort of was a market to them. And they're stalking very slowly and the guy in front, the primatologist, he's irritated with his brother who's got this heavy footfall, and suddenly, you know, he sort of sees his brother's face just sort of garping, what you're looking at me, turns around and maybe fifty feet in the distance, he can see this big black fury shape about his height. Now, he wasn't a tall guy, who's about five for two, quite short, but this shape is bent over and it's five for two. So we've got no bears. Okay, we don't have any big animals like that, other than maybe a cow or a deer. And it's the wrong color and it's a one kind of fur and he's looking at it and suddenly it cops its head to the side, gets up, stands up, and turns around. And he said it was like a gigantic and gorilla eight feet tall, with long legs like a human, really sick, and huge black fur. And the way he described the face was very like Promatologist. He said it was almost like an older banobo chimp folding on top a little bit with the pinkish lip and quite a fat muzzle, too flat for a banobo, but still that kind of appearance. He said, it looked at him. He sort of dropped the yeah, God, like I was going to do anything down, stared at him, and then just turned and walked away, occasionally looking back at him just to keep so like, as you know, you see that behavior all the time with them, don't be checking over his shoulder to see where he is. And then disappears. He turns around, Oh my gosh, what on earth was that? And his brother's gone. He must have run when it happened. And he gets back to camp and his brothers already kept backing all of their things back into the into the car and say getting ready to leave, and he's like, no, I want to I want to go and find it, Go and find it. It's like now we're like, we're out of here. We're not staying, we're leaving. So that one was very, very compelling. It had lots of elements, most of them. This guy said to me, and he heard his name because he said he didn't want to affect his pension as a you know, a form of bird keeper revealing anyway. He said to me, this was not something that was a human in any way. This was a siming. This was an ape, but with human like characteristics in posture and you know size. I'm think he was talking about the legs probably most likely there were straight legs essentially, and he said, I just I can't I can't get over what I've seen. I know what I'm looking at. So that was a really amazing one. And another one, I'll just tell you one more happened close to here in a place called box Hilt, Dorking, which is near the South Surrey Downs. So just as they come outside of London, you've got the bordering is Surrey at the bottom there that's where I live and a fiddly down. It's a lovely countryside area that will lead you all the way to the coast, almost unbroken if you want to. And there's lots of great hills in and there's a very popular walker spot. It's about a hill about seven hundred feet high and it has these earthen steps cut into it all the way up and it's all lovely trees and things surrounding it. So in the same year twenty twelve, in the summer, some lunatics, not me, jog it. They chug about the hills and this jogger is jogging up the hill and it's going up and come back down and is having like an energy drink on near to the bottom, maybe twenty feet from the bottom, on the steps, the earthern steps. It's about ten o'clock, but it's still sunny. It's the lightes to have. And suddenly they hear some footsteps coming down behind them, and this person's, oh, there must be a dog walker. I'll just come to the side. Nobody passes them, and what's that? And then they smell this kind of stale, weird, stale farm animal kind of smells it. O man, About ten to fifteen feet up the steps, see this hulking eight bl like creature, maybe only six six and a half fay tall, very broad, very square jaw and almost not chronical, but slightly domed head, grayish brown fur, looking just looking curiously and oh my gosh, what earth is this? And then again it looks at them ten to fifteen seconds, turns and walks away to go, and the sort of the steps kind of snake that way. So you get these lots of bends where you can't see the tree until it gets out of sight, keeps looking back over children again. And those two accounts for me, anyway, are the best two accounts in the UK. And I can't fault the witnesses. Whatever they thought they saw, they saw real or not. Yeah, and yeah, both of those right man, yep, both of those stimilate to. Wow, that's incredible. Ah, I can't put it in any more of a context than that. That's incredible. Both of those accounts. My favorite, absolutely and that kept me going for you is those two accounts, is like that stuff gonna six for those two accounts of my key. Wow. Yeah, I was gonna say the first one with such a an educated and experienced person being able to have that observation in a while is just I mean, that's the old and that's an incredible, incredible. Attemnt, right right, Yeah, yeah, So I mean who knows. I mean, just because I can't find it, does it made? It's not here. All I've been able to conclude as a researcher is I have not been able to find evidence, which is where I'm standing because I've come to this point now and I'm like, don't never defend the indefensible, endy, you don't have to die on a hill. You can just investigate the hill and see what it looks like. Yeah, right, Is there any are there any other projects you're working on right now? Other than now we we know that Sean brought up about, you know, the TV production. Is there any new projects you're working on into the summer here of twenty twenty five and yeah beyond. Yeah, I've got so I've got a new book. That's there's a few projects. Apart from the Weird Britain TV show, which is only available in the UK the month sorry, there's a new book, Beasts of the World Hairy Humanoids. That's my big foot book already. It's available on Amazon. It's been out for three years. Volume two, which is Beasts of the World Water Monsters, which is all of the different aquatic beasties throughout history, all around the world and all the categories. I've just finished it. We hear, we hear. Oh. Yeah, So there's that. And then I've got two. I've written and published two of the first of twelve children's books called a Monster Kid's Guide, and they're available online too on all the platforms. So the first one is Yetti a Monster Kids style long cooard sized guy for kid adults alike. Gives you the whole background, it gives you the's, the theories, and then at the end there's like a little bit for researchers to get started. For the kids. Forward nets the places you can visit. And I've got one of the second one is Nessy Amongst the Kid's guide does the. Same thing for the kids. Ah, that's a film. I love that the kids. I know. For me, one of my one of my goals, one of my bucket list of things to do in life, is to to go to Scotland, go to Lockness and uh spend the spend some time out there, you know, and yeah, you see what's going on. Yeah, and also there definitely giving me a call back. You know. It's also it's a lot more pristine than you'd think. It's a big tourist area. But actually at night it's black. It's dark. I walk from Lockness at night and. Corch. I didn't see another light anywhere along the journey. I had the river on that side, had the Caledonian Canal on this side. That took me five hours to get to get back. Wow at night alone and I heard splashing at all kinds of things like you do in rivers. So if Nessy right there right now in this river or that canal, I would not I would be none the long Ah. And yeah, I know that there was a lot of research going on that I guess are they're saying that it could be a giant eel from the eel DNA. I don't know what your thoughts are on that. I recently we uh for the TV program we sent to a submersible drone down to Lochness and also in Lochmorale, which is a lot clearer, lot easier to see in Lockeromoor and steeper. We did actually see a very sizeable ill that we caught on camera, which is good, I think, at least a good sort of I know, maybe close to a meter or something. But it doesn't fit the morphology the physiology of what people cite. It can't physiologically, emil couldn't do those things that people are described and seeing. So I think it's either one or two things. Either it's a species that we're mistaking. Seals occasionally get into the loch that's actually come into the rivernesse when it's in spatments in flood. A big shark or a whale or nothing like that could ever get in there. There's just too many shallow sort of troughs along the way. Really, But an aquatic animal like a seal can maybe a gray seal, they are very big. That's a possibility. But the problem with seals is once you sort of the subterfuge doesn't last long, doesn't take more than a few seconds to click. That's a seal and it wouldn't feel would not fool any logan room. Right, Well, guys, we pretty much un to the end of the show. Did anybody gets Scott's question from the Patreon because I think we answered it in an out about way. I think so. All right, folks, Andy, tell tell folks where they can find you and and follow me further. Yeah. Sure, So the best place to find me is probably Facebook under my own name Andy McGrath. You'll see me there or under Beastly Theories or with Britain. If you want to put a link to all my stuff in the chat, if I can ask the chest don't maybe I'll get that. I know, we get it. We'll put it as well. So folks to you, ye will get the said the stories. If you've got any tales to tell, reach out. Well, we'll have a chat. And thank you for your time. I know this was really for you or early I guess, I don't know what your schedule. Yeah, and if we can ever do the same thing, we'll give you advance. I will show up on your terms too. I know I will. I will show up on your terms to day or night. I will show up on your terms too. Well. I'm want to thank you all for stopping you with us tonight. It is time to wrap it up. Andy, thank you so much, my friend for coming on. Well, if Henry was here, he'd say will all be good or big good ally, but he's not, and in that note, good night. Everybody. Will see you in two weeks Alex Pettikov our next guest, talking about Appalachia Goodness, We'll see you then. 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