Appalachian Bigfoot Files

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Join us as we continue into the investigation of the Sasquatch Experience. Every time I see that little with Henry May at the end. It always makes me happy. I don't know, yeah, it just does. Yet we want welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday, July twenty first, two thousand and five, and Henry has been already. It is It is vance, guys. We've got a grade show tonight, our friend Alex Pettikov joining us again. Appalachian Bigfoot files all over small town Monsters beyond the Trail we name it. She's there and we're glad to have him with us tonight. But before we get started with Alex, we do have a couple housekeeping notes. It's that time of the year again, guys. We all feel very charitable and Sasquatch Experience we're all about giving back. This year. We are once again doing our Squatch Out Hunger campaign with a goal of twelve hundred and fifty bucks, which equals five hundred pounds of food. So I found out what the average costs a pound of food is. 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With the three previous episodes in West Virginia down at Davis, would you rather have Old Forge Pizza or West Virginia Pepperoni role? Oh boy, you didn't try. No, I know, I'm gotta get in trouble. Oh boy. I mean, I'll be honest. I'm gonna go with the Old Forged pizza like pizza more. I think pizzas a better overall, you know, and just something about you know, the times I've gotten it is either driving through the area after we've exports of the bland and mines or something. So it just makes it that much more satisfying. But yeah, the pepper and URLs are great. We had some fantastic ones back in April and we were down there. Some of the gas station ones can be hit or miss, but yeah, like the restaurant ones we had were incredible. But yeah, just I'm I'm a pizza guy at heart, So sorry, West Virginia. I love you to compromise. I will say, you know, CRIPTI there's the Mythical Pizza there in West Virginia, which is like a pizza place, and the pizza is amazing, So I recommend checking that out if you're in like the eastern part of West Virginia. Mythical Pizza. He would that be from Davis, which I guess Davis is kind of the hub. Yeah, it's not an hour east. It's actually very close to a town called the Hancock, Maryland. It's right tiny sliver of Maryland. It's surrounded by Pennsylvania and West Virginia. It's very close actually to the Turnpike tunnels there in Breezewood, Pennsylvania. At less than an hour from that area. So yeah, it's a little bit on the further kind of panhandle of West Virginia. But yeah, it's a great spot. So let's let's get right into the into the main topic here. I mean, I'm gonna tell you the the West Virginia episodes absolutely blew my mind. Yeah, particularly particularly with the audio evidence that you got that that you guys weren't initially aware of, which is you know, which is really amazing. Could you tell us a little bit about some of the experiences you had down there in West Virginia. Yeah, with those episodes absolutely so. Back in April, early April my fault, which you guys know, Matt, you certainly know. We've been out with those guys Shan through Brian Garvey of Brian and chuwiego hiking, Mike Lucci of the cr C, of my brother. You know, we all went down this trip in early April to West Virginia and we kind of did like a week just driving through the mountains. Linked up with a bunch of local folks as well, people like Les Odell, Charles Kimbrough, Jonathan Dodd and his brother. They're in Virginia. So I always like to meet, like when I come busy, you guys in Pennsylvania, I always like to link up with my local buddies in the areas that visit. But we spent about a week down there. It was over a week actually because we went into Virginia technically as well. It was a whole big kind of trip. But two nights in a row in different locations, we recorded these kind of woodennock type sounds that you know the first night, well, this is not the first night sequentially, I'll say just of the two nights in question, they were like three nights a part in very different locations, maybe thirty forty miles from each other. But the more interesting one was near Dolly Sads, which is kind of a designated wilderness area within the mononga Hala National Forest in West Virginia. We came to this one location we actually got locked in technically behind a National Forest gate. It's a whole whole other story, but it kind of lessens the chances of human contamination because we went into an unlocked gate and were, unbeknownst to us, locked behind the gate. So well, we spend a night there and we had set up a tree stand. I have this like a mobile, not sorry, not a mobile, but a it is mobile, but it's a saddle hunting tree stand, which allows me to deploy it basically anywhere. I set up in this tree and then upon reviewing footage later on, like once we got home, there's this really weird scream as we're as we're just talking, you know, I was having my brother film me just I was spraying the tree stand with some like scent remover, you know for hunting, just you know, kind of going through the all process, and there's this weird, like ah kind of scream in the background, and I kind of went around. I accounted for everybody in our group that was there. Everyone was either around us, and there was one person sleeping at camp, and it's like this scream sounds like it's from the distance, so it's inconclusive, but it was weird. You know. I had some people look at it who do audio stuff and they're like, well, that's that's unusual. You know. They can't say one hundred percent what it is. They don't know what made the sound, but the chances that somebody else's back they're just randomly screaming not that far from us. None of us did it. I mean we have again, we were all accounted for. There was like five of us there, plus Chewy the dog, you know, and in the previous frames to that clip where that was captured, everyone is accounted for. It is within you know, five ten feet of each other because I was finishing up spending up my stand as you can see that in the video, which is the beyond the trail appellation big Foot Trail. I know it's a little bit redundant there, but that's the way the title came out. So that was weird, Like, didn't notice that until way after. And then that night at that same location, we had multiple bodio recorders deployed in different locations, and Mike Lucci actually had noticed some of the audio that was found there, which was just like these knocks, you know, kind of typical knocks. It almost sounds like there was some that were closer and some that were further and crashing sound very typical, nothing extraordinary, you know, I would say, nothing with like mind blowing, but in conjunction with the scream, you know, it's it's all very included. There's there's there's Brian, of course, he's awesome. Brian don't know what I'm talking about. So the only bummer is we weren't able to stay at that location a second night, because we had then found out that morning that we were locked in this gate, and you know, we said, oh gosh, and you know, we had to just leave the area because technically we weren't supposed to be there just yet, because the National Forest hadn't opened that area, but people who had like a remote hunting camp further up had opened it during the day, and you know, we kind of exploited that. And anyway, not to incriminate myself too much here, but it happens, right, It's like it was, Yeah, it does. Unfortunately, we've dealt with a you know, we have kind of a curse where this group of guys like this is the third April in a row where we've been trying to get to locations then that gates have prevented us from doing so, or we've got locked behind the gate, had incidents. So that's a bit of funny story. But anyway, just to get back to the topic, Yeah, it was weird. I mean, I can't say anything definitive about it. And then, as I mentioned, a few nights later, we were at a different location, maybe less than forty miles south of there, also in the kind of mononga Hala National Forest and Charles Kimbro, who actually does a lot of audio research. He develops microphones and he does a lot of great work. He had captured this knock three four in the morning. It was just a very clean, crisp There's no other sound going on. So, you know, it's one of the things you can't really you can't prove any one way or another way. I guess it's just kind of a it's intriguing you kind of it's tantalizing, as I guess. Yeah. And the one thing, if I if I recall correctly, is the knock that was recorded on the second site was very similar, uh to the one that you guys recorded at Dolly Sides. It did it did sound, but it had that same kind of like hollow kind of baseball bat sound characteristic to it. You know, I've heard knocks like that before. Can I say those are bigfoot? Obviously I can't. I have not seen what's producing this sound, but I've heard in a couple of other places, like in Alaska and up here in New Hampshire. So it's just one of those things that once we had realized, you know, we were initially planning and staying in that one location just for for one night. Moving on, you know, we're we're camping, we're hiking, We're we're staying in some locations for a couple of days. We're kind of you know, we had you know, we had a whole plan and what we're going to do, and based off of that not we said, yeah, we're definitely staying in this location another night, just because hey, maybe lightning will strike twice. And that second night was a disaster. We lost the tire, and you know, it was just turned into a bit of a yeah, a disaster I think would be the right word for it. Yep, but it was still I mean that again, that whole series, there's three particular episodes dealing with West Virginia correct or Yeah. So so it's a bit confusing. So this was technically part of the Beyond the Trail or Bigfoot Beyond the Trail series. I just we'd filmed so much. I was like, this had I can't this can't be one video. It's going to be three hours long. We did so much, so I had planned initially to do two episodes. I was like, oh, yeah, I'll just I'll split it up. You know, it'll be first half the second half, but then we ended up also getting so much that I'm like maybe three because I don't I don't want to, you know, cut out parts that I think are unimportant. Like in the second part, we explored this really intricate cave system, this like Liver River Cave, and I thought that could be a whole thing under itself. So at the same time I was filming this, which is Beyond the Trails, is a much more kind of investigative, boots on the ground sort of thing where it's just it's a lot raw, more raw than you know, more interview based stuff. But the other stuff I was working on was appalation Bigfoot Files, which is you know, as you get You and Sean have both been in that series. I think, Matt, you've been in three episodes I think of that series now, which is I think the most. Maybe Mike Lucci might be in three as well. But you're up there for like one of the most featured guests. And that's so much more. Yeah, that's much more just interview based, and it's about you know, covers the Appalachian Mountains basically from from north to south and just interesting cases. You know. We just released one yesterday about the the infamous Vermont Trail camera photo when I interviewed the guy who got that, and you know that's now you're being a five pound owl, the giant, and that one's been around for a long time, right twenty ten. But every episode of the Appalachian big Foot Files covers a different section of the mountains. So you know, we did the episode that both Sean and you have been in, Matt was the one about that Allegheny Plateau area where you guys are research, which falls into the Appalachian Mountains. Whereas the other episode about the Suskin Screamer, which I love that legend amazing, is about northeast Pennsylvania the Pogonos. And then we had an episode that was that you actually featured in two, which was about the northern New Jersey and you know up too High Point State Park because that brush us up right against the areas that you go into. So that's in my mind. I have a map I'm trying to make of covering all the different areas and kind of make them interlocking. And I'm just starting to get up into my neck of the woods in New England. But so far we've had episodes dealing with western North Carolina, West Virginia, Virginia two in Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Massachusetts featuring John Wilkes Encounter, which is a lot of favorite encounters of all time. John Wilke's a great guy, so it's just an awesome episode. So yeah, that's kind of that series. But yeah, it was a little confusing because those three episodes that beyond the Trail were also kind of appalation Bigfoot Trail. So I don't know, maybe it's a little confusing, but that's that's my fault, not at all. I mean, every every episode really drew us in, but you kind of led us. And now to our next point, which is about the new episode that premiered yesterday with the Vermont photo. Can you tell us a little bit more about that. Yeah, so recently I got in touch with Frank Sazinski, who is as a friend of Steve Calls. And I've known of Frank, I've just never met him, even though you know, we go to the Whitehall Bigfoot Fessel every year, which is one of my favorite events. It's kind of the missing the missing one, the main one up here at the New England Northeast area draws people from the whole region. You know the Whitehall story obviously as a classic a bear road involving all the law enforcement. I'm sure Matt you know about that story. Of course. So that whole area I always loved. Whitehall is only a few hours from me in New Hampshire, but you know, you have that part of Vermont right there, And what's so interesting about Whitehall in that area is it's it's basically right on one side in the foothills of the Green Mountains of Vermont, which go through the entirety of the state, from the southern part where you have the Bennington Triangle and lots of famous encounters, to the northern part which goes all the way up to the border with Canada. And one of the first people I ever interviewed back in the day, over ten years ago, a big fool witness had an encounter in right along the Canadian border in the northern part of the Green Mountains. And then on the other side of Whitehall you have the Adirondacks. So there's so many great reports just in that area. It's amazing. So yeah, I'd got to make a long story short. I had gotten in touch with Frank Sizinski and I went out to his property and interviewed him all about that weird a trail camera picture he has, And you know, I thought it was mainly just going to be a little segment about him talking about the camera and maybe that will be like a part of an episode covering the broader Vermont area. But he had a lot of stories to tell, so I was like, you know what, this might as well be its own thing and just let him talk about, you know, the first part of the episodes about trail camera photo. But then I'd say, like almost, you know, the other half, if not more, is about local encounters that he was familiar with or he had been told subsequently after the photo came out. That kind of made this really interesting corroborative hatter in the area. And for whatever reason, there's a lot of sightings in that area that include creatures going into the water. We're some eating things in the water, which hardens me back to a really interesting sighting that Paul Bartholomew has told me about. Paul's another fantastic research in that area. He talks about these two guys who were from Hong Kong. There were kind of local Chinese restaurant, and they went fishing and they had seen this monkey as they called it, like small ape creature, kind of wading through the water part of Lake Champlain. They were fishing at it, and to them it wasn't really unusual. They you know, in Hong Kong we have prime ates running around, so we didn't know they had they had him here too. They acted very nonchalant about it, which is really funny kind of the cultural connection that they had to it. So they didn't I guess they didn't understand the significance of their sighting, right. So but it fits in again with some of the stuff Frank was telling me where he had a friend who had seen one of these things, as he described as a there was a gorilla in the pond eating lilies. And this is all within a few miles of where he got that photo. So what I will say about the photo, my personal opinion is it's it's rather inconclusive. I think it's become almost like a rorshack test, and you just see what you want to see. People see an owl, you know, and people get really hung up on that, and you know, Steve Calls has done, you know, lengked the investigations into the photo, and you know, he had contacted doctor Bruce mcabee, who's a optical physicist, who said he didn't think that it was something close to the camera like an acohol. He thought it was something closer to the ground. So you know a lot of people on watching that video, Yes, you're saying, well, I agree with the biologist who said it was. An Now this is a professional I don't agree. That's one professional opinion, right for a biologist, sure, but then you have another professional opinion from an optical physicist who says that he doesn't think that's the case. I'm sure if you take it to a third PhD they might have a different opinion. So you know, you got to realize there's not like a consensus about one opinion Trump's the other. There has to be you know, how how much have they examined it, looked into it, that kind of stuff. So, yeah, it's a controversial thing. And like I said, I think it's conclusive. I wish there were more photos, and then it's heated multiple times. That's the only day because right now we just have a photo from twenty ten that draws I believe that the. Camera was set at sixty seconds per each photo. Yes, the photo that was captured, I screenshoted it before I listened to any analyzation of what the photo was. What I saw was something with very broad shoulders looking directly down at the ground. I and I know Bartholomew said that, you know there was a juvenile underneath it. I didn't see that, but I saw two arms on the ground as it's looking at the ground with a conical head. That's exactly what I saw. And I left it at that, And then you know when all the other speculation came out, well, you know it's it's an owl. Yeah, I don't it's not. I mean, sorry, that's where I kind of go with like it. Yeah, it did kind of go off the rail. See, oh there's a young one. I mean, there's that meat. I know, Larry Beans Baxter is always making memes about like, oh there's showby the baby, you know, or any photo. Inevitably people say, oh there's a young one underneath the rights to become a little bit of a being. You know how common it is. But a lot of people have said with this photo they think that again. Their opinion too is you know, that's their opinion. My opinion, you know, trying to be as objective as possible is just I think it's rather inconclusive. I would much rather have more data to work with. But oh, right, too right. But my point with the episode was to try to show the just the story behind the photo, the location where it happened, how it's changed. I mean, it's been quite a few years since that photo and then all the other stories you know that surrounded it in that area, so. That they always taken in what twenty twelve, Alex twenty ten, twenty ten. Okay, it's definitely been a while. It was featured heavilyen Finding Bigfoot. Of course, it's had some media coverage over the years, and you know, Steve did a pretty thorough invest stigation. You speak to doctor Bruce Macabee, and you know, again people have their opinions about it. I think it's it's it's fascinating, but it's just another chapter and kind of appalation big Foot Files that talks about a local story. And you know, it's funny because a lot of the people, like they were saying like it was, especially with the blot, like they get really hung up on the spots that are found on it. They're like, oh, those spots, you know what is? It shows it's And if you watch the video, Steve explains that doctor Bruce mctiby says, those are actually not white spots. Those are dark spots. Right right now, I get all these angry comments and messages, and I'm like, if you just watch the video, it's explained. Like I try when I do a video, I try to get all the information out that I can. And you know, a lot of the questions and like angry comments we get are answered if you just pay attention. Sometimes the description of the video it says it too, but nobody reads the scriptures. I know that that was the point that was brought up to that there was a full. Moon and it might have been moonlight that was reflecting. Off of it. Well thanks, they yeah, you know, I understand this is all speculation. But there was also there was a discrepancy between some of the photos. You know, he was saying that there was a coyote that was scared off by this creature, and actually there was blam dates and from what I understand from Steve's analysis, he said that that time stamps are actually not accurate on the actual photo. Oh really. Now, I think that there were apples that were in different spots. So I'm not sure if Frank meant that was sequentially what happened, or that it was actually just this was like the the last photo before this photo, which may have actually been a day apart. But I think the way he said it made it sound like he was saying this coyote was scared off by something I don't know. Also, full disclosure, Frank is eighty seven years old and very hard at hearing. I mean, I don't know if you could tell in the interview, but I was outing my questions at him at times. You know, I had one one person said, you said something to the effect of, oh, he's not answering your question when you ask it. I said, bro, he was not hearing half the stuff I was asking him. I was trying art see him as a hulkxer though. No, I think, if anything, maybe there's some wishful thinking going on. But it was very sincere. He made sure he was talking about you know, they tried to be with some money, and like he's like, I don't want him money, I just want to prove, you know, what happened, and He's a very earnest guy, and I really like talking with them. He reminded me almost like my grandfather in a way exactly it telling the stories like he knew all these stories. And you know, I had both. You know, I still have one grandfather, July, who was there over ninety five years old, and he's the same kind of way. You tell him about a certain topic and he'll tell me all the World War Two stories that he knows. So it's you know, it's it's nice when people are, especially in that age, they still have they just able to remember all this stuff. For oh, let me show you my like find her with all the. Encounter and it brings them joy to it is it was. It was. It was a really unvisial with him, and I enjoyed talking. I I I thought the star of the of the movie or of the video though, was Frank's wife because like when you hear Frank Frank. I love that and edits they weren't just such a real down to her uh and and she was on camera, but hearing her, uh, it was just so so neat. It was. It was the only thing note that that it was hit me like a punch in the gut was when he talked about the nurse and the nurse's brother having this incredible, incredible game camera photo. And you know what, we know people like this, Sean. Sean and I both know people like this that they see something. This can't be anything. I'm going to delete this, you know, rather than hey, you know what, let you know that something or they die. I know that happens. We had that. That We were trying to get the game cam photo for years, right, and he's passed away and we were never able to get it. And he was adamant that there was something remarkable on there, and lord knows. We'll ever see it. I mean, to the point is, you know, we've moved from the film age to the digital age, but how many junk drawers or photograph packages or whatnot to people have lying around that could have something in there that we never know because you know who look, you know who really goes back and looks at that stuff. It's a good woint. So I mean, it's it's to what we do. But the one thing I guess I wanted to say to kind of put a cap on this before we go to our quick break, is the video was broken down at the beginning of the episode very well and for folks that haven't seen before or have had an opportunity to really dive into the back history of that Vermont photograph, I think you guys did a great job recapping that, going into it, adding some more you know, exposition to it, and you got Steve there to talk about it, and you know, you wrap it together nicely. It's important that we go back and revisit these things. And you know, alan you talk about people coming in and you know, bit you to complaining because you know they haven't paid attention and they don't listen. It's prevalent to the whole history of Bigfoot. Is that people if you would go back and actually read a freaking book or go back and look at some of these videos or old documentaries or even old podcasts, a lot of these things have already been answered or could be in those but you have to go back and do. A little research. And so. It's you know, it's important that we go back and we visit those things. You did a really good job with the Vermont, with the Vermont footage, and I think it was absolutely well done. It was well done. Yeah, Yeah, it's again I think with Appalachian big fo files, and my goal was to just you know, being from the Appalachian Mountains and myself. I mean, I'm here in the northern part in New Hampshire. Even though people get annoyed that I say Appalachians instead of Apple Lachians. You know, that's another debate for another time. I love all my Southern people like they're great. You know, you take like North Alabama, North Georgia, compare that to New Hampshire and Maine. We're like a world of art. But it's still the same mountain chain and the stories. If you look at areas where habitat exists on the East coast, if these things do exist, the Appalation Mountains would probably be the best location, and then you you go up and down the mountain chain. My goal was just to document some of these stories. Again, that Pennsylvania episode is probably still one of my favorites. Suskin Screaming. I mean, that story is just so classic, and I didn't know a whole lot about it until I actually went and did that research into last year and when I met up with you Matt and took me in all the locations and at that author Stanley wrote about it, and that's what I love about it. Every episode you can watch as a standalone, but while you watch them all together, they kind of have a little bit more of a history about certain areas in particular areas. So yeah, I love it, folks. We're going to cap it on that. We'll be back. We'll talk a little bit more with Alex Bettakoff right after this. The big foot bullhorn coming at you. Smoke him if you got them, shake a leg, whatever idea. We'll see you back in about eight minutes. A little long this week. You know, Vance gets a little windy. Is Madison a bigfoot believing community? You guys have vibes of people that might go out there looking for him? Yeah, no, sir, my man, a little too south for that. Yeah. And where do you live here? Yeah? Big so bigfoot people are aware north, so we're a little too. South for that. Yeah. And where's north of us? Sir? You don't have voice here? Oh shit, it's up north? And what's up north Woods? Yeah? Hi? Yeah, Well, now see, sometimes the obvious is not that obvious. Well, happy day to you all. Thanks for listening, whatever you choose to listen, But you can always watch the show live on YouTube. Just look for Sasquatch Experience. Our logo is a bigfoot foot print with Sasquatch Experience printed right through the middle of it, and then click and subscribe and you'll get notifications as to when we are going live. Anyway, speaking of Michael Moore, I know we weren't speaking to Michael Moore, but close here's an interesting story out of the Smoky Mountains. I found it pretty fascinating. Give it a listen. Apparently bigfit is starting to come into people's houses in Smoky Mountains and this story is circulating on TikTok and one of my followers, actually you submitted, didn't shared it with me, and you have to hear this one. This happened between Gatlinburg and Cherkey, North Carolina, on a farm that this family had recently purchased within the last few months. So this lady said. She first noticed in the barn area one day while she was out in the barn the set of huge footprints leading from the barn like back into the fore with and vice versa. She had no explanation what these things were. They were too big to be a human, but she just thought a big bear. It had to be a big bear. Fast forward a few days or weeks, I'm not sure. One day, she and her daughter are home alone and they're up in the attic just doing some work. So as they're just doing some work upstairs in the attic, they both hear very heavy footsteps enter the house, too heavy to be a human, and she immediately thinks this bear has gotten into her house. So she instinctively tells her daughter just to be very quiet, do not make a noise. You know, we're in a bad spot here. If this bear, you know, comes up to stay, we can be in bad trouble. So, as the attic door is still open to the downstairs, they both start kind of peeking around trying to see downstairs because they can hear these footsteps. But to her surprise, it isn't a bear that walks into view. It's a ginormous bigfoot. She said. This thing was covered in a reddish brown hair from head to toe. It was built like a man, a huge man. But it was a bigfoot. Now, if that wasn't crazy enough, Just after this huge bigfoot stepped down to their vision, filled of sight, she said, one that was about four feet tall. The smaller one walked in also, and at this point they are going into panic mode. She's trying to tell her daughter just to be quiet. They don't want to draw. Attention to themselves, and they both are witnessing these two bigfoots walk through their house and they're just kind of out and grunting, making noises walking around. After a few minutes, she said. The biggest one walked back toward the door like it was going to exit. Then right behind the smaller one come back, but it just happened to stop, like right in their field of viauty. At this point, both she and her daughter were looking down at this thing and the little one stopped, and she was just terrified that this thing was going to look up and see them looking back. But she said it stood there for a few moments, just looking around, but it never did like make eye contact with them, and eventually it made its way out of the house too. They waited about thirty minutes or so. Then she and her daughter they just made a run for it. They didn't hear. Any other noises. She grabbed her car keys, they run to the car, and they got out of there. She wasn't a believer in bigfoot at least not until this happened. And the guy who I heard this from said that she had took pictures. There was like muddy footprints on the porch and she hadn't shared them with him yet. But she supposedly does have pictures of that. See it's one of those stories where the witnesses actually had a higher advantage looking down on a big foot, not looking down in a bad way. I'd be shaken in my shoes when we come back. It's sweet transvestate from transsexual Transylvania weight. I read that wrong. It's a camping adventure in Pennsylvania. 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And other you know events. One thing we did I did want to mention here and Brian from Brian and Chewey Go Hiking that posted it out about how the Northeast is underrated as far as squatch in the mountain rages and on forest and go. And we talked about that for years about how like there's that disproportionate representation of the Pacific Northwest and it's because I believe, aside from Paul Bartholomew and some others from that early Paul maybe Stan Gordon from that early part of the sixties and on, nobody was investigating it here like they were out there. Alex what do you think about that. I agree, I think it's you know, you look at the states that kind of broke the mold for the kind of west coasts. The only place you know there used to be people. Peter burn I think he said, you know, there's no evidence that there would be anything east of the Rockies basically, but you had legend of Balggie Creek down in the South that kind of broke the idea that maybe these things are actually east of the Mississippi. You had Ohio one of those states I think was always kind of ahead of the curve, Pennsylvania kind of behind Ohio. Pennsylvania has been pretty known for a while, whereas like you know, up here in New England, very underrated. Yet we have, you know, some of the earliest and some of the most classic Bigfoot stories out there. I mean there's you know, as my buddy Jonathan Wilke will tell you, there was a story from the late seventeen hundreds in western Massachusetts of constables running into this kind of sleeping ape creature. At that point, it wasn't even the United States, it was still British column So you know, that may have been one of the earliest documented sightings. There's just a long history here in New England, really classic sightings up here in the northern part of the Appalachians, and you go Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine, the northern tier of New England, and even you know, western Massachusetts to an extent where the Appalations run through, which is some of the most rugged parts of the whole mountain range. Up here in New Hampshire, I mean, we have these mountains that are just I mean massive and not maybe compared to some of the Western Mountains but now Washington over six thousand feet and had some of the worst weather on Earth. I mean, these these very rugged areas. And what's interesting is these habitats support a larger animals than any other part of the Appalachian Mountains. So, you know, may in New Hampshire there's anywhere anywhere between from the estimates, I've seen fifty to seventy thousand Eastern moose residing in these you know, few million acres that we have, which is the most amount of moose anywhere in the US outside of Alaska, just to put into please bank. And moose are giant animals, I mean, I am sure, and I have moose on my property here. They are these giant, you know, five hundred to one thousand pound animals at least around here. They can get bigger than that. They primarily spend their time eating there. It's a lot of biomass. So that's just moose. I mean, we have tons of black bear mains, got upwards of thirty thousand black bear. You know, we have being so close to Maine. Because the thing with Maine, you got to realize Fifking Northern Maine is it's the northern sections are millions of acres of undeveloped land that's actually considered to be the most remote place anywhere east of the Rocky Mountains, in like a contiguous area because nobody lives there. It's considered actually a wilderness area. But the difference is as opposed to say the Adirondacks, which is six million acres, or know, we were talking about mononga Halo National Forest. Some of these areas New Hampshire, like a fourth of our state is the White Mountain National Forest. Northern Maine is all owned by logging companies. It's all privately owned. It's not a state or national park or forest. So there isn't really much access. People can get access, but you have to pay, and it's it's it's a lot un it's it's untapped. But there's moose everywhere. So the amount of biomass needed to feed that many moose, that many bear, and then I mean even more you're as you go on down, but I'm talking just the largest animal I always look at. Moose is kind of an interesting biological or interesting bio kind of metric terms of the habitat. If this place can support tens of thousands of moose, you throw a dozen sasquatch into the mix, is that impossible biologically speaking in terms of food and resources? I mean I would say no, but that's so yeah. I think these areas especially there's a very low population. New Hampshire is just over a million people, same as Maine. Vermonts like six hundred thousand. So there's there's like southern New England, which is Connecticut, Rhode Island in Massachusetts has more people. State than the whole of more than mine in this territories were at it. And then the Order of Canada the Province back, which is an untold makers that go up in the Arctic that you know. There's just so much. There's it's a ridiculous amount of space. So, you know, these areas while Newhamster state like Newhamshire Mott might be small and we still have very rugged areas, and the sightings I think reflect that way because they do happen in some of these rural areas, and most of the state is rural mains. The most forested state in the US by percentage, New Hampshire's number two, West Virginia's number three, Vermont's number four. You know, so like there's they're they're all kind of up there, and once you visit these areas, you realize why I think a lot of people will get this idea that New England is all it's Boston, it's urban. It's both it's Jaws or it's you know, Stephen King, it's it's all suburban. But that's you know, select few areas. You know, once you get out into the countryside, like where I live too, I mean, there's just not a lot out here. There's a lot of wood, a lot of people living in these areas, and yeah, so I think they're definitely underrated. Like there's so many again, I can't even begin to tell you all the amazing stories that have come out of these areas. You know, we talked about obviously the Vermont case and that Whitehall I would say is like the East coast Bigfoot capital or east of the Northeast, just in terms of this region. But you know, again, Vermont has a long history from north to south. And I'm working on a video about the Bennington Triangle, but I'm also assuming to be looking on a video about the Ossipe tribe in New Hampshire, which is this circular volcanic mountain range mini mountain range that has a long history of interesting sightings, including one of the weirdest big Foot sightings I've ever heard, which was this creature seen in this stacked stone hut with like a hemlock branch roof. It was very interesting. I interviewed the sighting almost ten years ago. But that area has a long history of sightings, and yeah, they're there. I think, you know, these things are moving through these areas. You don't need to have a lot of them. There's enough habitat here to support you know, a good amount. Again, I'm not I'm not saying there's like thousands of these things running around, but you know, there's thousands of moose and bear throwing a few dozen sasquatch. And I think that's that's not. Implausible, it's very plausible, right, Very good. Yeah, absolutely correct. There was a question here from our friend Mike Mike wants Stone. Alex, Well, that was not the one question I wanted to ask, but we'll ask that one right now. Had you had any recent reports of mountain lions, uh sightings in the Northeast. Yeah, recently somebody was telling me about one near the Quabbin Reservoir in Massachusetts. I can't remember who I was talking to, but uh, there's there's always stories of mountain lions, and you know, I did a whole documentary on Lines of the East about the mystery big cat Sitans, and you know, there's there's documented DNA verified cases where mountain lions have been discovered in an area and then stay have kind of downplayed that significance. I think it's a government money issue because they don't want to deal with another predator. But that's that's another story for another day. But yeah, so there there definitely have been some. So it's a yeah, it's one of those things because I I you know, I go to some of these events and people would tell me, well, I haven't seen a big foot, but did see a mountain lion. And I started getting a lot of these stories. And that's what kind of was the impetus for giving a whole documentary about like the mystery big cat topics specifically. Well, you know, my old physician was a member of the Eastern Puma Research Network. We used to spend a short. Amount of time in my uh doctor visits talking about bigfoot and mountain lion or what other big cats were seeing. It's always interesting to me that, you know, again the denial from some of the agencies that you know, just refused to acknowledge that these things are in our in our forests, and you know that pose an actual, real danger. We could say we want about sasquatch, you know, and and there's a lot left to put on the table, but we do know that big cats could you know, potentially be a real present danger for folks, and if they are here, that's a public safety to acknowledge that that shouldn't be brushed into the rug. That should be Hey, let's post them, let's put some wags up there, and let's just make sure folks are being safe. You know, it's no different than bears. We acknowledge bears exist, but probably more likely to be attacked by an outline than you would be a bear though, I mean, I I don't know, it's just like you said, knowledge well around. Here, statistically, I think moose and in general, yeah, moose dangerous and alasta they are statistically the most dangerous because I think there's the most amount of moose human interactions and moose, Like when I'm out here in the woods, I don't care about black bear nine times. I mean, I was getting the mail the other day and I had to run in with a black bear. You know, that's how many we have up here. But if it was a moose, I probably would have reacted a little differently because I had no bear spray, you know, firing nothing on me, just getting the mail. But a moose, yeah, they're unfortunately, you know, they're they're beautiful MAJORI animals, but they are not very intelligent, and they especially certain times a year, the males can be provoked and like snowmobilers, get attack, but they're they're still pretty rare. I mean, but you know, you like ask ask Brian in the chat there my buddy Brian Carvey. You know what it's like running into a moose and you're hiking in the middle of nowhere, as he's had happen to him. It's not a fun experience. And then you're also decides Nope, I'm not messing with this guy. I mean, just there's cheers size of these things. I've been with people up here. We've been driving back roads and all of a sudden, a moose runs out in front of the road, and you know, people that have never seen a moose before, and there's like, oh my god, that's a moose. I'm like, yeah, you see what I'm talking about. Now, this is no joke. They big, they've been They're scary. Yet it's like when you and when you hit them, it's like I've heard people describe you're hitting just a giant, seven hundred pound meat sack on possicle stage and it's a windshield, right, so kill you. It's not about rush into a tree. Well you know where Alec or Alex Well, Alex and I spent a lot of time. Matt and I's been a decent ment of time. We have ELK. Yeah, the movies about probably still a little bigger than the elk. And I mean I've run into elk. I mean we saw something. We were out there with you guys last spring too. But I've run into elk in Colorado and like northern California, and they can be pretty intimidating, even in the Smokies. Yeah, they're they're not to be trifled with it. I was watching tourists in Rocky Mountain National Park walking up to you know, bull elks sitting there in the field, and I'm like, like one of those Dumus videos, you know, like you see in these national parks. So people have lost all naturally instinct and fear, I guess. But I did find the question from from Mike that was it was around what conditions bother you the most? Rain or bugs? I think he's asked on purpose. He knows the struggles that we've been through. You know what bothers me the most? Probably I would say rain. At this point I got a caveat. I'd say rain is probably the most annoying because it's it can often be a buzzkill. Like we've had outings we planned with Mike and other guys up here in the Northeast, and you know, this weekend is gonna be great, and then that whole weekend is torrential downpour, so we either have to cancel plans. Well, Brian and I have said the embrace the suck where you just but then as you just sit there, you're soaking wet after just having cooked the giant pancake and a skillet, and all of a sudden, the skies have opened up on you and you are soaked head to toe and you just sit there kind of wallowing in your misery, eating this soggy pancake out of the pan, and there's nothing you can do in that moment. So I'd say rain maybe edges out bugs. I can deal with bugs after having into Alaska and Larry Beans Baxter can attest it. And when we went out to the middle of nowhere, like three hours outside of Fairbanks, it was hell on earth. Yeah, I mean they're you know, the state burd in Alaska. They just are lenting like swellow myat in my face despite wearing a net all weekend. So after dealing with those bugs, bugs else, we don't really bother me. But the rain I think edges out in terms of being the worst. So but sometimes rain can be great, you know, but other times it's just plain annoying. When it rains every day on like a week long trip. Hey, we get that one. Matt and I just had to cancel some adventures because of some rain ourselves. Scott. Question from Scott Alex at your night to cook dinner at the camp out, what's the meal you're making? Love that question, that's a good one. I don't know. I mean, I feel like a lot of times it just depends. I let Brian do the cooking because he's he's a very skilled camp chef. But if it's me, my cat just ran off, I think just maybe just burgers. I mean, I'd like to keep it simple. I think Burger likes a nice skill it camp burger, you know. I think that's just a good cl you know. I'd like doing breakfast too, like somebody will do like a breakfast for dinner. That works too. But actually, I got this one meal that I make that I've only done a camping a few times. It's more of like a post workout meal. But it's this spicy Korean beef dish. Nice. The only thing is you got out of like pre made rice. It's hard cooking rice. In the woods, like a spicy Korean bulgogie style dish that we made on a camping out and once it was really good, especially in the cold weather, like really warms you up. But I'd say burgers the nice a nice camp burger. You cannot go wrong. Oh great, now I'm hungry, all right. You know when you're with Matt and I, Matt and I don't do a lot of cooking and camp. We will drive miles to restaurants, all right, we will because we uh, well, yeah, I get it. Like a lot of times, like like Mike Lucci, I and Brian, like we seek out fun places to eat, like on our way when we're driving out, like that mythical pizza place. Oh, this local place is known for their wings. Let's get that. Like you got indulged a little bit. But you know, you're out in the back country a lot of times, like if it's a backpacking tribu eating those you know, mountainhouse meals, the freeze driede stuff, those can get pretty rough. They're really Like I remember ten years ago, there was very few options. Now, I mean I can get like Korean beef freeze dry, like there's some really good options nowadays more companies getting into it. But car camping is the best because we just we can load up and bring all this stuff and then have everything we need. So we we we pretty extravagant. You might have seen in some of our videos. You know we're having like deer meat that that Mike Lucci had caught, and you know we were doing that like tacos and yeah, we we definitely like to like to feast pretty good and some of these matures. He's not wrong, but just trying to get ten miles into the back country and all you have is those freeze read meals. So you've got to do what you gotta do. But if you got the chance, you know, make something nice. Henry, we can kind of you done. In the bottom corner. What questions you got for Alex here, buddy, Well, I was wondering about the state of Maine. I know you've been there a few times. As far as how would the mountainous areas in the state of Maine compared to West Virginia compared to the Pacific Northwest, I'd. Say more rugged than West Virginia. Now, West Virginia has some amazing rugged places that the hills and the haulers and they have you know, as I've heard Joe Purdue over wild and Weird West Virginia has described it a few years ago in a video. It's like a crumpled you know, crumpled carpet. You crumple it up and you have all these contours. That's kind of like the whole state of West Virginia. Fun fact, West Virginia is the only state that is both fully in the Appalachian Mountains and culturally in the socio cultural region known as Appalachia, So it's it's in both. But Maine has a little bit more rugged mountains. So Maine has Alcatatin, which if you look at picture as you could, you would think it's a mountain maybe out west it's it's only about five thou five thousand something feet, but it's the terminus of the Appalation Trail. So the hikers that go up there, they end on Mount Katada and New Hampshire I think is overall the most rugged in this area, and a lot of people say it's the most rugged part of the entire appellation. Washington, right, yeah. Mount Washington. You know there's some places that really will like I've run into people out in the White Mountains that are from the west coast, and they're very shocked to see because they joke around that we don't have mountains on these coast. We just have hills and like most of the appellations I would say are kind of like even compared to our mountains are are you know, hills and some contours, but it gets pretty rugged. But I would say the Pacific Northwest still obviously some of those you know, the Cascade Range and the Olympics, they edge out the mountains out here. But as Cliff Barrickman has told them multiple times, he has felt that when he visited New Hampshire in some parts of main and that it was like a many It was a Pacific Northwest on three quarters scale as he described. I was just talking Renee recently. She said she'd always been very so that how rugged it was up here when they visited. And you know what, our mountains aren't trying to kill us every so often. Yeah, yeah, so it's again, it's uh, I've hiked all the mountains in New Hampshire that are over four thousand feet tall. There's about forty eight of them. So is Brian there and you see some of them. I mean, you can take a picture of it and it looks like you're in the Pacific Northwest with the pines. We have a lot more pines, and then we do deciduous especially in the higher elevations up here, when you get alpine zones that start over four thousand feet, So you can be hiking for two thousand feet in an alpine zone and you're totally exposed. Whereas down south in that say the Smokey's or North Carolina, they have some mountains that are over six thousand feet, but you're up on Mountain Mitchell, and you know, you still have a completely you know, a summit that's enclosed by you can't see it. So it's definitely a little different. Yeah. Well, you know, elevation, as Matt and I are starting to learn, I think, plays an element in this game. And you know, we were told by a gentleman we were doing a little presentation, you know that over a certain elevation we would notice an absent of animals. And sure enough, we hit that elevation and there was an absence of animals. And I think it was just by happenstance that guy came into our presentation and shared that detail with us, And it's something we've heard over the years, but I've never seen anything to it. But Matt and I were able to in the moment go, holy shit, this guy wasn't pulling a leg, he wasn't bullshitting us. And you go down to that elevation and into a field there's like all the deer and elk and everything. Fine, but you go above that there was nothing and why and that was a pretty interesting notation. I think Matt and I wouldn't try that a little bit more and would love to see that in other areas and see how that would correspond any of your notes or anything Alex in that respect, Like. I just want to drew us. One comment there from Brian says few deaths this year in Mount Washington just last week. Yeah, this is crazy. I mean Mount Washington has killed hundreds of people over pat you know, one hundred, tw hundred years, and just just a few weeks ago, a guy or last week, a guy was hiking at the top of the mountain, which is there's a visitor center, there's a train that goes up to the mountains, kind of like a pike. Right, Yeah, you've got a cog train that goes up there. This guy, he was at the visitor center and he wandered off and got lost in an area. When then we're talking, the top of this mountain is exposed. I mean there's no trees. For thousands, Yeah, wildly. And he got lost and was found days later dead. I mean that's just how in crazy the mountain they're crazy, the weather conditions, everything, so it's not to be underestimated. Again, I did. Climb to the summit of Mount Washington and it did not take the cog. My cousin and myself we did climb to the summit of Mount Washington and it was crazy as the culture. You get to the summit, there's no vegetation there once none. Yeah, a lot of people again. Get surprised that kind of stuff exists on the East Coast and you know again Katada and has places like that. But to your point, Sean about the wildlife, yeah, I mean, uh, I mean I know here like moose will even go to the top of some of these mountains. It's very uh oh yeah, that was Brian had told me about that they had scared these you know, the most thing of saying is or the most well known one is about you know, the mountains. The mountains will be there another day, who might not be. So I've had I had a few where we've had to pull the plug and say, guys, it's way too cold, it's getting unsafe. We got a head back and we've had to we've had to stop me. And we had a situation this past winter with Brian and Mike Lucci and we were trying to get to this cabin on top of this mountain, and you know, we were tugging through snow and it got to the point where we just said we got to call it. You're not it's not worth the risk point, right, Yeah, they're no joke. But the animals they deal with it again. You know, in the dead of winter, you're looking around you like, why would anyone anything you want to live here? And you realize there's thousands of moose around you. You know, not in the immediate vicinity, but you know within the area you're in or the national forest, so you know, certain elevations up here, you know, you do still get some of these, like bears and moose will sometimes wander up past the alpine zone and they'll be really famous pictures of like a bull moose up on the top of the mountain unobstructed view. But for the most part around here, I believe the animals stay mostly in the valleys, but they do move up the mountains, and a lot of these mountains they do, you know, the smaller ones they do have treed summits, so it's you know, a lot of plenty of vegetation. I mean, there's you know, mountains in Vermont. I've been up to three four thousand feet that you'll just see moose scant all the way going up the mountain and they're using the human trail and the roads to go up. So they're moving up there for whatever reason, you know, following food or or or certain types of plants. You know, if you're for the most you're eating a lot, so you're always on what to eat. So that's that's there. That's basically all they do. Well, guys, we hit that time at ten o'clock. We're out of time for tonight. Alex would love to get you back again at some point, buddy, what's next. What do you got going on? Oh, there's a lot going on. I'll just put a few in here, you know, obviously, you know I do a bunch of different series, A small Town Monsters, Be on the Trail. I'm gonna be filming some very exciting stuff for that soon. You know, certain places, I'll throw some teasers out there, you know, maybe certain states that are disconnected from the rest of the US. You know, well we'll put it that way. Uh, we give that one away. A little bit strange places. A series that focuses more on not just big Foot stuff, but their cryptid and paranormal stuff. A few episodes about that. I mentioned Bennington Triangle, awsofy Triangle, really weird Bigfoot stories. And then more appilation KFA Files, which will continue to cover parts of the North in other areas. But we have an exciting episode of Ape Canyon. The Journey to Ape Canyon with on the Trail will be coming at some point in the next few months. I don't know when. Sorry, I can't give me specifics, but oh, that's okay. STM has got a lot of Abe Canyon stuff we're working on, and this is going to be a really fun one because it's going to be a very unique look at the location where Ape Canyon is. And you know, we went on a great adventure there last year. So right, well, thank you Alex. Folks, we want to thank you for winning in it being a great audience tonight. Of course, listen to the Sasquatch Experience. He's Van Sniz, but I'm Sean Forger. That's Henry may Matt at the bottom. James Baker had to leave us, and we hope he's okay. Alex. Once again, thank you, Henry take us out with those dulcet tones. Well as all. I want to thank Alex for coming on and I it was a great interview and you all be good or be good at it. There it is, folks, we'll see you in two weeks. You've been listening to Sasquatch Experience, Please rate interview where this podcast has been consumed. To share your experience, visit us on Facebook, our website, or email us info at Sasquatchexperience dot com. Keep on squatching.