Offroad X-Files w/ Jimmy Toungate

The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors, or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion is advised. We got someone or something growing around out here? Does a legend walk among us working in the forests of our world? Did you see what it was? Was it a person or an animal? Or I can't go? Oh, I know it's that my thunder light came on and I did. Happened to Glenn and see this thing running across the yard? A good sight man or something works like a man. I don't know what it was. For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators, and witnesses trying to gain insight and proof around the existence of this mysterious entity. Jesus bar hello, get somebody out here. What's going to announce? There's got to revention about six foot nine? I don't know, easy announce there, Yeah, I'm working right, Ah, okay, hand on, yeah, got it, bigger? Okay? What's he doing in your yard? Join us as we continue into the investigation of the Sasquatch experience. It's been all kind of something tonight, and folks, as we get this show kicked off onto the air, I'm sean Forker. That's James Baker, and our guest tonight, Jimmy Tungate. It's great to have him with us. Jimmy is the host and field investigator behind The off Road x Files, a podcast that explores crypted encounters, pronormal activity, and unexplained phenomena happening where few dare to travel deep in the back roads, trails and wilderness of America. Originally from Central Texas and now living in Washington State, Jimmy brings a unique blend of curiosity, adventure, and investigative grit to his work. His career path has been anything but an ordinary, ranging from commercial fishermen in Alaska, a professional cowboy radio DJ, to his current role as a senior risk manager for a leading global cloud service and fraud prevention. Outside of the corporate world, Jimmy is an award winning landscape photographer, a seasoned off road trail guide, and leader of Bad Company Overland. He also serves as a brand ambassador for on X off Road set Power refrigerators and Marimoto lighting. Jimmy's personal encounters, including his own sasquatch sighting, fuel his passion for uncovering the truth behind legendary creatures and mysterious happenings. With Off Road x Files, he combined storytelling, witness interviews, and on the ground field investigations to create a documentary style experience that draws listeners into the unknown and folks. That's our guest tonight, Jimmy and Tonggate. Jimmy, thanks for coming on with us as we're getting right into the show tonight. No no no bluffing around, We're just getting right into it. Awesome. Thank you so much for having me, Sean and team. And I just want to say, out of all the podcasts that use the nine to one one intro call, I'm so happy that you use the part that says, what's he doing? He's looking at me like I don't hear anybody else do that, And that's like the whole best part of that whole CLL that. Is is it not like this is something about that it's looking at me? Oh oh oh okay, yeah, you know, we tried to do a whole show on that nine to one one call in itself, Jimmy, and that's you know, out in the Pacific Northwest, out in the area you're you're from. Definitely a fascinating, fascinating story, but you know, one that's kind of left up in the air to where it ended. Yeah, there's not much information out there about it. I know a couple of other shows have tried to, you know, treat it as a topic, and there's just not much out there. So, but it's definitely a fascinating call and one of the one of the interesting things from here in the in the Pacific Northwest. How about it? Pacific Northwest, man, it's an interesting spot. And Jimmy, one thing I like to ask all our guests right from the beginning is when did your interest and not just Bigfoot, but like the cryptozoological to paranormal, When did that start? How did you get involved in this? So for me, as a young boy, always left mysteries and the scholastic books on the Lockness monster and say Bigfoot and yetty things like that. Growing up in Central Texas, I didn't realize that we had bigfoot there. Back then. It was called something completely different. I just did a show on that that dropped last night. On my podcast about the Brown Rock harry Man, and that's what they call it there, the hairy Man, the Wooly Booker, the booger Man. But I had no idea that we're referencing big old Maasquatch back then. And my parents would tell me, you know, like little Jimmy, make sure you're home before dark, or the booger Man's gonna get you here, or that you know, the wooly Boogeruh. But I absolutely loved the Scholastic books, the TV shows in search of One of my favorite TV shows of all time is Unsolved Mysteries, and they occasionally, you know, touch on Bigfoot, but I just like, I love mysteries in general. Yeah, you know, one of the I guess that's one of the you know, commonalities Jimmy that a lot of us share is you know that Robert Stack Unsolved Mysteries, you know, and learning through those shows that you know, this mystery is more than just identified at the Pacific Northwest, that it's everywhere. Yeah. That and and also like you know, the legend of Boggy Creek came out when I was a kid, and I remember going and seeing that at the drive in theater in the back of the truck, and I was like, you know, holy cow, this thing is out there. And I knew, I knew, like that was a big foot, but that was in Arkansas, not Central Texas. Uh. But I also like, remember Harryman. There's a Harryman Road in a round Rock, Texas where I'm from, and I remember driving down that road when I was a kid, uh, in the dark, because we had friends that lived out that way, and we also had one of my uncles lived out there for a time and driving down that old speaky sea lane road flowing over the top and the story for the Hairy Man, Someone's going to reach in the back of the truck and just snatch me right out of it. Yeah, we worried about that when we drive those kind of roads. We really did. Some of these back roads up this way or no joke, and uh, you know, I get that that feeling. And of course, you know, you guys had the stories, you know, the not real stories, but the Texas Chainsaw Master based on a true story, and uh, you get even a lot more, uh, you know, fear inducing situations out that way. So one of my really close friends that I've known, my whole life. Her grandparents owned that house that it was filmed. Small World that was actually filmed in Round Rock. A lot of it was uh in the store it was based on was really close to where my dad had his first job. So like, I grew up with that whole mythology to the Chainsaw massacre and that was a lot of fun. So it's just naturally you gravitated towards all this. Yeah, getting scared, and I'm sure we'll get to it. Last night, I just came back from going down to visit Sweet Home, Oregon, and got back yesterday and went camping Saturday night, and we're out in the middle of a forest on a for service road and the moon is coming up. You know, it's very picturesque. He's coming up above the forest service road through the trees, absolutely gorgeous. So I get out my canning camera and set it up on the tripod, take two pictures, and I hear something that sounds like a very loud croak, and I'm like, huh, it doesn't exactly sound like a bullfrog, and I don't think there's any bullfrogs around here. So I asked my friend that I was with, you know, that's her research area. Have you heard that sound before? And she's like no, and so a few seconds later, Harriet again, but it's moved, and it's moved a distance that a frog wouldn't be capable of. And then it turned into grunts. And this went on for a good twenty twenty five minutes. I've listened to the first hour of audio. I had a recorder deployed in the trees that picked up the grunts. Can't tell what they are, but I'll tell you it was a little scary. No doubt, No doubt. I mean one of the things I appreciated about you, Jimmy. And you know we've become, you know, rather familiar through Facebook, but you know, you get out there, you go to some pretty cool places to do some research. And that's one of the fascinating things I find that you know, you're getting out there and doing some pretty cool investigating. Oh thank you. I really enjoy it. I absolutely love overlanding and off roading and it takes me to the areas where you know, I can look into these kinds of experiences the research area. So I'm research my research. I am the research partner of Craig Yownie with Pacific Northwest Sasquatch Research Group and he's the host of Squatch Vesk and Kelso, and we met the very beginning of the year, hit it off, figured out we live really close together, like maybe twenty minutes, and so he invited me out to his research area and it kind of kicked this new phase off for me. And that research area is about two and a half hours north of here, in a valley with a river that's glacier fed, a beautiful area. He's found tracks out there recorded, or he had some really good drugs. That's something that looks like it's potentially a asquatch black walking along the river on a day when it was like one hundred and thirteen degrees and somebody's not going to be all dressed up in black with a backpack or something walking down the river in rocks and stuff. So we can't, you know, can't say it's sasquatch, but it definitely looks like, you know, it could be. And then that area has according to Fish and Wildlife, I've been told one of the campgrounds in that area has the most reports for them for sasquatch activity. And then the very first night that I camped out there with my camp and buddy Austin. I didn't hear it at the time where I heard one, but I recorded a series of tree knocks that culminated in a very loud one that walked me up. And it sounds kind of metallic, and I hear that over and over from Washington and other places. Sometimes they're like metallic like sounds where there shouldn't be anything that's metallic. And I played it my wife and she's like, Wow, that's crazy. You're like camping out there asleep and this is going on. I'm like yeah, And she's like, did you look at your at your rig, your forerunner? And I'm like no, I kind of walked around it, but I didn't look at it real close. So we went downstairs and did a thorough walk around as my forerunner and there was a new dent on the passenger side, So that metallic sound could have been a rock band tossed at my truck. How about that? Pretty crazy? Wow, Jimmy, you mentioned something about orbs, and it's a topic that's really starting to become prevalent. Yeah, and the Bigfoot field. Is there a connection between these these orbs of light, and you know this being entitygue creature we call bigfoot. What are your thoughts on that and what have you experienced along those lines. I'm glad, yeah, Sean. It is like there is so much talk about it, so much trending focus on orbs these days. My first experience with an ORB was when I was a kid in East Texas at my grandpa's house and I would go out and spend summers with him, and back behind his house was a little meadow and we would ride horses and stuff out there, and it's lined by trees in the big piney woods. And for a period of time from when I was like, you know, maybe ten years old, until I was in my early twenties, it wasn't every time, it wasn't every week, it wasn't, you know, every two weeks, but pretty regular I would see an ORB float through that metow and it would always start on the right side, come out of the trees. It would float across kind of at the same speed, about the same height. It looked like, you know, five to six feet up. It was always about the same size. So, and that was probably like one hundred and fifty two hundred year yards maybe, and at that distance, it looked like the size of a big cantalog, so where it was it had to be like larger than a basketball. It didn't pulsate or anything. It's a kind of a white hot color. Didn't bob, didn't move, It just floated across there, and I saw it over a period of years. Grandpa wouldn't talk about it. I think the first time I saw I was like, what the heck is that? And he's like, we don't know, we don't talk about that. So I don't know what he thought it was. But that was my first experience with Orbs, was seeing him, you know, as a child, and then into my twenties before he died. The last time I went out there, I saw one, and then you know, I never had a chance to go back out to that property. Interestingly, Saturday night, when the whole thing was going on with what I think may have been a bear across the road from us. So where we're camped, there's along a bend on a four service road, and then across the road is a hillside that's the tree lined with pretty thick brush going uphill, and so I'm hearing the grunts from across there and it's already dark, but there's also like I'm a photographer and my passion is taking pictures, and so I'm looking at the sky and I'm seeing all these stars that I normally don't get to see at home, and I'm wanting to take pictures, but I'm also wanting to be very focused on what's going on and not lose my attention to that. So I'm kind of looking up at the sky and I saw something black move across the sky. I think maybe it was a raven or something like that, because there's some pretty big ones out there. But very quickly after that, as I'm kind of looking at the sky and panning my head back to the left, out of the corner of my eye, like maybe at say three point thirty four o'clock, I saw a light move up through the trees and then disappear behind them. So I don't know if that was an ORB or what it was, but I find it very interesting that, like, all this stuff is going on and then I see something that could be an ORB. To answer your question, like, do I think there's a connection, God, I'm not sure. A lot of people report seeing orbs. My friend that I was out there with says that they have and she had never heard of the Brown Mountain lights. But what she was describing to me that happens at the lake there at Foster Lake is they have lights that pulsate along the edge of the lake. And I'm like, have you ever heard of the brown lights? And she's like no. But we started talking about orbs and wondering, like, you know, with the flashing like that and the strobing, could it be a portal opening or something like that? Could orbs be like little portals. I don't know if anything's coming through them. I hope I'm not standing there if one does. But I would also love to know the answer to that. Right, So listen, you know, personally, for me, Jimmy, I don't know if there's a correlation. I hate to say there isn't there isn't because I don't know. Right. Do I believe this thing to be flesh and blood? Absolutely? Does that mean I'm right? No, it doesn't. But I'll tell you from my own experiences, there's some parts to this that are very unusual from the orbs I've seen orbs I was out with. I've said this, you know several times I was out with my friend the Cherby's out in southwest Pennsylvania, Eric Altman, Tom Meehak, and we're sitting out there and there's just these orbs that appear in the trees and they just fly up and they move around. They're non localized, they have their own you know, positioning, you know, they're not controlled anything, and then they just disappear. And I've had just strange flashing light phenomena. Would have been out in the woods in the middle of the night in areas there's no reason there should be a flash of light. So I can't explain them. I've experienced them. Are they two separate situations going on? Potentially? But is it you know, coincidence that it also happens around the same time as uh, you know, bigfoot activity. I don't know. And now I know I'm going to start getting hate mail from people like all of a sudden, we've you know, but it's not and you know, it's just simply not the case, like I'm I'm I'm a flesh and blood or Jimmy. But I acknowledge that there's more to this than we can understand. And you know, you and you know, one of the things again, I appreciate about you as you go out and you investigate this, And I think folks that are more open to investigating some of the other paranormal phenomena, you know, have that, you know, willingness to acknowledge that there might be something a little bit more to this mystery than just a big ape, you know. Yeah, I completely agree. So I'm also very physical creation based. I believe it's a physical creature or creature. I think there's a lot we don't under right, there are so many open questions throughout all of creation. But like I guess, one of the reasons I'm more open minded to this is I've had some paranormal experiences with being like physically touched by a spirit or something while sleeping over a period of time, and it would like torment me. And so I know that there's more to this world than just things that are physical, things that can be spiritual but also be able to interact with you physically. So I think that makes me maybe a little bit more open minded to it. I really believe that there's a whole lot about Bigfoot we don't understand, and I think everybody agrees with that there's a lot we don't understand. I think part of it is we left the forest in the woods a long time ago and became civilized, and we lost that grounding that we had with nature. But they maintained that, and so they're out there twenty four to seven. You know, they have to maintain night vision, they have to be able to move quickly, and so they've continued to adapt where we haven't in those ways. We've adapted mentally, and we've lost a lot of our physicality and I think because of that, there's a lot that we don't understand. Maybe their hair follicles have evolved as well. I think it's Doug Hichek has a theory based on an experiment that was done with UV lighting and flying squirrels, where you know, maybe their hair follicles allowed them to camouflage when they become Still, there's a lot of things we don't understand that may seem paranormal, that may be able to be explained by science, but we just. We're not there yet. And I think that's a great point you made. You know, we talk about some of these, you know, potential biological adaptations, and because we don't have them, you know, you know, silly us, You know we you know, we nothing else can have it if we can't. But we know that's just not the case. There's some animals out there that have some truly amazing capabilities. When we talk about something like infrasound, you know there are animals out there, large mammals that use it. We know this for a fact. And but because we don't, all of a sudden, that's you know, that tends to you know, end up into the camp of WU. You know, they call it getting zapped or what have you. It doesn't have to be WU. It can be a real biological situation, like it doesn't have to be anything mystical though, you know, you go back in time and you take the stuff we have, now we'd be looking like wizards and magicians and gods to people. So exactly, it's I don't know, it's a tight line to walk, and that when you're in this research, you know, when you try not to, you try to take a position and try to hold onto it. But I think that's dangerous, Jimmy, because you're not opening up your mind to other evidence that's coming forward or other pieces to the puzzle that you're alienating yourself from because it doesn't fit into your own worldview, and I try to be open minded to a point. I try to be open minded. I try not to be an idiot. That's always a good thing, Sean, Right. I think one of the things that helps me is being a fraud investigator. I'm constantly looking at a trends and patterns, and as soon as you figure out what these known actors and frousters are doing and you start shutting them down, they change. And so by that constant change and having to figure out, Okay, what's the new pattern, what's the new thing that they're doing today, how are they trying to cover up that they're using a stolen credit card or that they've compromised an account and are actively using it to abuse resources, et cetera. So you have to be like really on top of that and continue to let your thinking evolve as things change. And I think everybody could apply that same principle to any kind of endeavor like this, where things change over time and you don't have to believe everything, but we should be open minded enough to listen to it and then make an informed decision as best as we can. Absolutely, Henry Baker, we got to take a break, Jimmy, we got to take our mid show break. We got the big Foot bullhorn to play here. It's going to give us a few minutes. Everybody can go to the bathroom, do what they have to. Listen to the bullhorn though, folks. That's why we put it out here for you. But before we go, I just want to put out a you know, our Squatch Out Hunger campaign is still going on sasquatch experience dot com from more information as soon as you pop up a splash page, prom chick to go and donate to our cause. It's a big deal. Twelve hundred and fifty bucks is what we're looking the raise, which equals about five hundred pounds of food. But more importantly, every dollar equals about ten meals to folks in need. And it's something I'm passionate about. Folks. If you've never dealt with food insecurities, there's I don't think a worse anxiety to have than when your next meal's coming from. And we got to do our part to just be a little bit better and to help our neighbors. So go to the link. You see I got to QR code posted here. Go to our website, make a donation. We get a long ways to go, but we're going to make it. And I believe in this this community, so we can all put our best foot forwards and do some really great things. When we come back, folks, we'll we get you know, finish up here with Jimmy, we'll Baker and Henry ask some questions because I've been hogging the microphone. But just give us a few minutes. We'll be right back, folks. Sasquatch experience right after this. Ah, simb, I think Bigfoot is blurry. That's the problem. It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry, and that's extra scary to me because there's a large out of focused monster roam in the countryside. Ron he's fuzzy. Hell ah, Yes, it's a classic from the late great mitch Headbird keeping his jokes alive. Well, happy evening to you all on this summer sweat. I hope you're all doing well. And speaking of nose picking, which I know we weren't but we will. I did a little bit of research and looking into the fact of well, there's no reports from July of this year, not yet anyway, and I was kind of taken back by it. So I started thinking, you know, as far as grooming goes, I wonder if the big hairy fella uses a finger to pick the nose, clean, its ear, bite, its nails. And then I kind of looked at it into a little bit more of a scientific view that I would imagine the terrain that the bigfoot would live in forested and rocky areas, probably would keep the nails trimmed artificially just by climbing and doing other squatchy activities. But it still got me thinking, you know, if you saw a bigfoot sitting on a boulder picking its toenails, that would be pretty disturbing. Yeah. So here's what Wikipedia had to offer on the subject of well does a bigfoot groom itself? And it goes on to say whether or not bigfoot, a creature of folklore, engages in grooming behaviors is unknown, really, as there is no scientific evidence to confirm its existence. Bigfoot, also known as sas sasquatch, is generally described as a large, hairy, ape like creature. The idea of grooming, a behavior common in primates and other mammals, is purely speculative, given the lack of verifying information about Bigfoot's anatomy, physiology, or behavior. Well that's not helpful. According to the Rocky Mountain Sasquatch Organization's Facebook page, a question was posted, does Bigfoot have dirty matted hair or do they groom themselves? The reply is I believe they groom themselves just like other primemates do. And as far as the scent, most animals you sent to one degree or another to communicate anyway, talk amongst yourselves on this subject. You know, I've seen gorillas pick their nose. I could imagine that a bigfoot would also. When we come back hock Toy Hills. You're listening to the bigfootbullhorn right here on the Sasquatch experience. As anybody ever told you. Hey, nice knockers. If not, just visit gotknockers dot org read about the encounter that kick this whole thing off. Plus you can purchase one, two, three, or more tree Knockers. I'm not sure what you thought we were talking about. Got Knockers has a plethora of gifts and merchandise two from awesome apparel, ware and even something for the baby. 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Thanks again for listening to this edition of the Bigfoot Bullhorn right here on Anomalous Entertainments Sasquatch Experience, and as always, until we meet again, keep your toe in the mind. And as always thanks Vance for the big Footbullhorn. Vance not with us tonight having some technical difficulties, and of course I'd be remiss if we didn't wish Matt Arner, Uh, you know, full recovery. He's having some complications from surgery. So we want Matt to get back and be in good spirits and good health for us. As we move on to Hey, Henry, there he goes, I'm trying to have a video format that works, So there we go. We'll switch up, Henry. Is this story? Where's Alice anyhow? Jimmy, thanks for hanging on there with us. We'll let you Henry. I'll let you kick it over and take any questions. Okay, well, Jimmy, I'm where are you actually from? Originally originally from Rock Rock, Texas? So okay Texas. Yes. What do you think of the possibility of sasquatch being in East Texas, especially in the Big Thicket Forestedarios? Oh, I'm positive they're there. I don't know if you've ever heard of area, but that is in the Big Thicket kind of in the sam Houston Forest, which is part of the Big Piney Wood. So uh, I never had an experience that I recognize as a kid out there with one. But if you're there, can I can I say something about grooming the bullhorn I was listening to that and that was awesome, by the way, vance bigfoot and grooming. So I saw a bigfoot November tenth of last year when I was driving down I ninety west coming home from camping, and it was standing in a river bed about seventy five yards off the highway. It was totally shocked that it was standing there. But one of the things that stood out to me was I expected the hair to be matted and shaggy, and it wasn't. The hair that was hanging off of its arms was about four to six inches long, and it was it appeared to be very well groomed. I believe that they used that river bed as a point of ingress and egress down out of the North Cascades from the path coming down into the area of North Bend, Washington, because after I saw mine, the hunter reached out and said he saw one three weeks before I did in the same location. And then I was on a video and somebody else contacted me through there and said I also saw one in that same riverbed. So that once been seen or they've been seeing three times in that riverbed in the same location. But the one I saw it was really surprising to me. It appeared to be very well grimmed. It wasn't all matted and shaggy. Hmmm, wow, pork up, can you hear you? That was me? There we go? That was me. You know, it's an interesting observation because oftentimes, you know, we get reports of these stinky, uh you know, kind of dirty, matted, matted creatures, but not always and you know, the observation that you had of it being in the creek bed riverbed rather, it is interesting. You know, you wonder if it's do they have like a like a timing schedule, like do they have a bath time? Do they have a you know, a set frequency upon which they do do they do it based on need? You know, hey, you know I'm really ripe right now? Do I need to go check in the river? Does missus sas question? Not tonight, buddy, you got to go take a. Bath, right, A little sasquad sunset action we got going on here? Oh, but no, it's a very interesting observation. Go ahead, bake. Did you have a question? I just was there was a clean the pits moment. There. You know I'm muting you because your dogs are going crazy in the background. Pal Uh. I'd also like to mention something else, if it's okay about hunger always. I think it's tremendous what you're doing with this Squatching out hunger campaign. Thank you. I'm supporting it. I'm asking everybody else to support it. The reason it's so important to me is about oh, twenty three years ago, I became homeless due to a number of situations. The main thing was I didn't like to work very much at that time, and I got myself into a really bad situation with a disintegrating relationship, ended up getting divorced, going from place to place, living with an uncle. And I had a lot of food insecurity because like I was on the Raman diet for a while when I had food and all I ate for weeks on weeks and the weeks was ramen, and sometimes I didn't have that and I had just bread and I made ketchup sandwiches because I couldn't afford meat. So having food insecurities, I completely understand that. And let me tell you, the weight of that on somebody is tremendous, absolutely bring them down to where you know, they become helpless. You don't know where your next mill is coming from, if you're going to starve to death or what. So I just want to say I applaud you and I really appreciate what you're doing because it's important to me too. Thank you, Jimmy really is. And thank you for sharing that, you know with everybody, because I think it's important for people. Know. People think it can't happen to them, and the reality is it can. And it's happened to friends, it's happened to families, and sometimes it's happened to people we didn't even realize it's happening too. Yeah, And so I'm just asking folks to, you know, think about if anything in this world, you know, and Jimmy, we hear everybody say people out here just to make money or what a bullshit. I've lost more money in Bigfoot than I've ever made and I always will. This podcast costs me money. We're not raking in the dough. Trust me. If even for a little as two dollars a month that you could support the Patreon, it's still a lot of the out of the pocket fund. But one of the things I'm passionate about it. We have a platform, I'm an opportunity to do some good. Let's do it. Let's let's engage our listeners and our audience and get people, you know, interested in helping out somebody else, whether it's a buck, it's whatever. Let's let's do our due diligence. Let's be better neighbors, Let's be better people and help somebody. This world's getting to be a terrible place. And if you could just think about somebody else for one minute, makes all the difference in the world. And trust me, Jimmy, you know from sharing your experience, you know being hungry affects the mental health as much as the physical. Absolutely, And you know what, as men, we need to support each other and build each other up in that uh process as well. I know you guys came here to talk about Bigfoot, Jimmy and I get that, but you know, I think we have to. It's a serious, you know, serious thing. We have to talk about these things. They're important to our world. And Henry or I'll kick it back to you, I stepped on you and took your thunder. I'm sorry, brother, Oh it's Okay, don't brought no problem. Also, Jimmie, I want to ask about three old footprints. What is your opinion on three toad footprints? And do you think that a viable primate population would be able to support itself on three toes. Physiologically? I'm not sure that they could. I'm probably the wrong person to answer to ask that. Probably more like doctor Meldrum would know better. I think that is it possible that there could be a three toad creature out there? Yeah, there's other creatures that have three toes, so could it support the weight? I'm not sure. I think maybe it could also be maybe not a complete print at times. I know that well Sew knows. Recently, I was in the Blue Mountains camping with a large group out there. We went out and visited the Spreaman site and two of the people that were there were female mother and a daughter, and they had gone out into the tree room bathroom and something grinded at them and they thought it was a bear. So they came out They're like, you know, hey, something just grinted at us. So everybody kind of gathers up and we, you know a lot of us are armed. We make our way out into the tree line to try to figure out, you know, what's going on out there, and we find a footprint. It's it wasn't extremely long, it was very wide. It had the mid tarsl break, and that's the first time I've got to see that in person. Had the mid tarsl break the ball of the foot, but it only had one toad present in the print. And I was trying to figure out, Okay, well why is that and also why is there only one print? There's just this one print twenty feet inside the tree line, and I'm standing back and I'm kind of looking at it, observing the scene, trying to put the pieces together and figure it out. And there's a big red seed tree there that is pretty large, and if something was standing behind that cedar tree and it leaned out on the outside edge of their foot to peek around, it would have just kind of the outside edge of the foot and maybe just the pinky toe. So maybe it's dependent upon how they're standing as to what's present in the print. I guess. Really, that's all I could say about that. I don't have the knowledge to be able to speak physiologically about it. Good question, though, right think about it. You're saying it has to do also maybe with the positioning in their gate. Yeah, because I've seen a lot of the I've seen a lot of them. I was watching the Josh Gates special they one time, and he was in one of the it was in South America, and he said, you know, he saw a three toed, a three toed one, but then he noticed that the way it was that there was like a slant, so it was like a slurt almost like there might have been more toes, but there wasn't enough pressing on the other toes. And also it was kind of an embankment, so it brought down. And I think that's a lot of times as you see you see partials, you don't get the whole footprint. Three does. Yeah, And I was just you know, like I said, I was just down in Oregon and I was I was down there with Michelle Heaton, who's the leader of the Sweet Home Sasquatch Research Group. Shout out to her because she was a great host. Took me out to her research area and she showed me pictures. We couldn't get out there that evening, but there's an area out there that is moss covered road that's paved underneath, and she found some really great tracks out there, but some of them looked kind of weird, and they were elongated, and one had the hill and it kind of was curved, and then it didn't have all the toes present. But to me, when I looked at it, it looked like maybe it slid, and looking at it through that eyes, maybe it happened slid on the slick moss. Maybe it was running. Then it could create those aberrations in the print. So I think you have to really consider the whole scene. Look at everything that's going on there. What's the what's the substrate, what's the material that the footprints in, what are the conditions? How old is it? Could it have been raining, could it be sliding? Could it be you know the infamous double bear step. Is it super long because it slid? Maybe it was coming downhill. I think you have to consider all of that. All I can think of at the moment is, you know, you said, did it did it slip? And you know, you wonder how many times do these guys do they have clumsy accidents like we do? Do they go ass over tea categal down downhills and Henry. You know, we go back years. We interviewed Skip from back and remember Skip was telling us the story but if the Bigfoot fell down the mountain mm hmm, right in front of them and Jimmy, I don't know if familiar with that story, but it fell down the mountains that it was on. It was on Unsolved Mysteries way back in the day. And uh, yeah, I remember that, and I think you're right. They're they're like us, and some of them may be big and stupid. And so something else happened. Yeah, maybe he stepped on ground hornets. Yeah. So my radio name in groups is usually a cowboy. Uh, but this trip to the Blue Mountains had the opportunity to ride a many back mini bike, which I ended up crashing and falling. And then when we were on the pall at the Paul Freeman site coming back down, I tripped over the log that he stepped over and I fell again. So we changed my radio name to the Fall Guy. The Fall Guy. Now, you and I talked about your trip out there to the Freeman site, and do you want to share some of those insights you had with me? You know, you and I were talking, you know, we talk about how you know he gets some chaff because he's, you know, out of breath in that video. You've been to the you've been to the area, you know what it's physically like. Yeah, that's a good point. And I just watched her listen to that episode recently and it kind of brought that to mind. So I was at the Freeman side at the end of June and I got to go down there two different times while we were camped there. The first time I went down, the first thing that really grabbed me is how close it is to the spring. It's a very short walk. Also, it's a lot more uphill than you would think that it is. It's something that video and especially photography cannot capture and translate. And it's one of the things that I struggle with as off road automotive photographer, trying to capture enclines to show like how extreme the position a vehicle may be in, but it just doesn't come through. And the very same thing happens with this. So one of the reasons he's probably that contributes. I can tell you it contributed to him being out of breath as the incline that he had to go up the other thing is he was a hell of a lot closer than it appears in the video when you're standing where he was standing when he goes, oh there he goes, it's not very far at all. It was shocking how close that it was. And the video camera that he was using back in ninety two like can't capture that depth perception very well, so it appears like it's a lot further than it really is. Do you know what he was using? Which VHS camera he was using, Jimmie or Henry. I don't know that. I don't know. I'd have to go back and re read Michael Freeman's. Book about Freeman, about Paul, about his father. Yeah, gotcha, I remember what kind of camera it was. Sorry, didn't jump in there. I just thought, you know, maybe it was a little relevant. Go ahead, guys. There's another book called I think It's Into the Blues by Vance Vance. Uh Big for the Blues, Big for the Blues. So I just started reading that because it was recommended to me because like, we went to a lot of those places. But it may have that in there as well. And then I'll tell you also, a really great resource for this is Jonathan Easley, that guy has got a tremendous amount of knowledge about that site. And the second time I went back down there, I met Jonathan Easley down there and he did a complete walkthrough of everything and the breakdown of how it went down. He had gone out there and helped rediscover that location and also figure out, you know, based on measurements and distances, the tree that you see in the in the Freeman video, the Christmas tree was only about twelve feet tall back then, and it's grown considerably now. I can send you some pictures and some video of what it looks like today. Wow, It's it's like crazy to actually stand there and look at it and go, You're like, you know, one of the iconic moments and all of bigfooty happened right there, and it was just such an incredible honor to be able to participate in that. What do you think being there on the ground seeing the spot that Freeman walked, do you think it added any more credibility in your mind or any more authenticity of it that you know you were actually there and able to see some of the physical terrain and just the area where this. You know, one of the more famous bigfoot videos have been taken. Yeah, it's really remote, and their signs all over the dirt road you take to get there that tell you stay out of the watershed. That's where the city of Walla Walla gets there drinking water from. And that's what his job was out there, was a forced patrolman to protect that watershed and keep you know, their drinking water in good condition. And so I think he took that very seriously, and he was in a prime location to you know, find footprints. Then he saw at least one prior to when he recorded that video, and that prompted him to go into town and get his video recorder come back out. And then you know, as he's going up the trail there, like I said, it's a really short walk from the spring itself and that it starts going uphill and you can see, like I'm walking up that trail and I can see the footprints and everything is just replaying through my mind, and you hear him go, you know, here brush popping, yep, right there, and then the camera pads, Oh, there he goes, and you see it come out and walk from right to left. Then if you look here, it turns and looks at him. Then it goes behind the tree here and it peeks out. See it peeked out again, and then it walks off again. Then he makes his way up the trail from there, kind of scrambling up there to try to catch up to it, and then he sees what we believe is a female sasquatch through the trees. And Doug Hichecked did a video stabilization that he was able to show Paul Freeman before he passed away, where you can see it looks like a small one being picked up. You can see the legs coming up off of the ground. And so there's a lot of thought that that area. There's like a ravine that goes down into the creek, the creek that sped from the spring, and and it also goes little ones. Oh no, we're good. We had a little technical difficulty there, Jimmy. You didn't know your last last thought on that. So maybe that's an area they used to drop the little ones off and then they could go out and forge. There's water. It's a very protected area, but it's very remote. Big food tack here. Take care that what that's what it's called. Now, you know, it's always one of those pieces that have fascinated me personally, and Henry, you and I have talked about it for years, but it's always been you know, I've always held it to you know, I don't know a high standard to my own uh being out there, I personally. All the more believable to answer your question, and it like really solidified it for me. Yeah, I believe that that footage is of a female. It's actually a female. It's big gill, not big gym. Could be she may have been with child. Maybe she's just a big girl. Yeah right, she's just a big Well, since we can't see Jenna Tale. I made. Smoking for two anyhow, Sorry, Jimmy, go ahead. Don't worry. Yeah, I mean, we really don't know what sex it was. It's just kind of conjecture that it was a mallet. Could have been a female. We don't know, right, I think it would be more odd if it was a female, you know, I think that would. Add even more. I don't know. Well, doubt to it being that Patty was female, and you know, we're all bigfoot film females, so so it goes down that line. But maybe they are. Well. I think it was a whole family group there for one so I think you had the male, and then you had the female, and you had a child, So I think it was a whole family group. And then if there's three there, how many more were there that we didn't see or that weren't seen at that time. We all saw the end of Harry and the Henderson's they came out of. Nowhere, So it's a super squatchy place even today. One of the people that were with us with his wife, they were on one of the four service roads and dirt road that we were camped off of, and recorded a vocal that was very loud, very strong, and very long. It was pretty crazy to think, you know, that was right there. And then there's also like an abundance of other wildlife there. We heard cougar uh screaming at night. There was an interaction with a lone wolf circling the camp a couple of nights before I got there. One of the guys was playing a flute and I think a wolf did not like the flute. But listening to the audio, it doesn't sound like a wolf at first. It sounds like trying to figure out, like, Okay, what the hell is that? And I'm sure it was terrifying. Well, maybe not terrifying, but it was pretty scary to have a large predator circling your camp and hollering and howling. Uh. But they eventually figured out that they believe it was a lone wolf because of the how all the lonesome how Okay, there was a lot of interesting stuff that happened out there. I can't wait to go back home. You know. One of the things we've been ever since we had David Zigane on the show was, you know, getting folks to know the audio the animals in the areas you're you're frequenting, right, and you know, as to you say, they're Jimmy that you know, it sounded like a if. There are some things that sound very strange, like we got waken up in the middle of the night here in northern Pennsylvania by what sounded like a woman being murdered. Uh. And it was a horrifying sound, you know. And you know, you got I jumped out in my T shirt and boxer shorts. You got guys jumping out in their pajamas or whatever, trying to figure out what the hell this sound is At three four o'clock in the morning. It was horrifying. And it turns out I think it was a well, I think we determined it was an elk of all things that was just making a horrifying sound, and you know, lo and behold not the next morning we found a footprint around the campsite, So I mean not ch, No, it was a it was you know, like it looked like a big foot impression. Uh, it's just these little things that you're running into. You have your explanation there, all right. I'm telling you what, man, you've heard sound in the middle of the night. I think everybody that has gone out and put the time in the field has had these moments where they're like, oh shit, what's that? And it's scary when you're out there and you hear these things, and you know when you have I don't know how you felt when you had your encounter. I know with mine it was you know, what the hell did I get myself into? But it was definitely a world changing for me. I talk about it a little bit in episode one of my show, and I've been on a couple of other shows and talked about it, but just really briefly, I was up in a rooftop tent on top of my Forerunner and had what I believe was a big foot circling my Forerunner at twelve thirty in the morning. And what walked me up is a real heavy crunching footstep, so like if you're parked on gravel and a vehic when you turn the tire. That sound that it makes, it's exactly what I heard. And then I was listening very intently, and it made a circle onto my rig until it got to the annex that I had zipped into the rooftop tent that looks like just a big tent on the side of my Forerunner. And I heard it get the fabrick and stretch it, zipper jiggled, and let me tell you, I was terrified. I could imagine. I can still feel it. Every time I talk about it, my chest tightens up a little bit. It was very scary. I didn't know if it was fixing to rip it open and come in and snatch me out of that tent. There's nothing I could have done if it had, even if I was armed, it wouldn't have done any good. But that's kind of what kicked all this off for me. And that was back in June of twenty twenty three when I had that experience dispersed camping, that kind of rekindled my interest in all of this and being in the Pacific Northwest, and I'd started talking about, you know, overlanding and off roading, maybe doing a podcast, and then you know, the dream finally came true and got that kicked off. So I'm really looking forward to what the future brings and being able to contribute however I can to the community. It's full of great folks like yourselves. Thank you. Like Mark Mercel says in his presentation, it's not going to be one person that's going to make a discovery. It's going to be everybody working together because you may have a piece to the puzzle that I don't have, and whenever we talk and collaborate and we compare notes, that's where discoveries can happen. Absolutely, I think that's incredibly well said Jimmy. Where can folks find out more about your show and find out more about you? Thank you? So you can go to www dot off roadexfiles dot com. I have a page for my podcast on there with links to the feed. The podcast is currently on Spotify, Amazon, Podcast, Audible, iHeartRadio episode was released last night. I'm really excited about that one. It's my first adventure into storytelling and interviewing. So part of it is talking about the legend of the hairy Man in Round Rock and the Old West. It goes all the way back to the eighteen fifties until the nineteen eighties. The whole episode covers kind of that area. But everything you can find on my website, including my build for my Forerunner, everything that I've put into that links to it kind of what it does. And I'm going to be adding to that. So the website's the best place. Check them out. Folks. As always support great research and great researchers and podcasts. That's why we bring folks on to talk about it and spread the good word. More boots on the ground, more eyes on the mystery. That's what's going to solve it. And we thank you for spending time with us tonight, Jimmy so much. It's been great. We'll have to have it on again sometime. Yeah, I'd love to. Yeah, it was really nice. Henry, Yeah, my friend. Before I kick it over to you, folks, find us over social media Facebook, Instagram, x Sasquatch Experience on expert Squatch exp email us you're citing or encounter at info at Sasquatch Experience dot Com once again, and I know you guys are finally You're probably gonna get tired of me showing it, but I don't care. Squatch out hunger. If it doesn't, If you can't tell it's important to me, then you're just DNS is a brick. So get those clicks going. Let's let's raise some money for a good cause. Okay, Henry, Oh, we're going to be at the Central PA Bigfoot Festival this weekend. 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