Cocaine Hippos

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The search never stopped. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. Hello, get somebody out here with Henry May. I love that. That's always my favorite part of the opener, right there with Henry May. Folks, welcome back to the Sasquatch experience. I'm Sean the fort chop Falker. That's James Baker, Matt Arner is underneath me, and Henry down in the corner. It's almost like Hollywood Square is with that's the center winner and it has been It has been oh, I say, three months guys since we've done our last show. Three months. Yeah, and a lot has happened in those three months. So we're going to get into that in just a little bit. But great to be here with you guys tonight. Folks, bear with us as we're a little rusty and I've got a little sin of thing that's been going on the last couple of days. So it never fails. It's not cocaine from our Tonight's episode. Tonight was not titled Cocaine Hippo because of me. It was our good friend James Baker and his cleverness. They came up with the title of tonight's show, and you know what, I figured it would be a pretty good it would be a pretty good way to grab some attention for tonight's program. What the hell does cocaine hippos have to do with sasquatch. We'll find out here in just a little bit. But team, we've got some announcements to kick off the program with Matt is going to be a featured speaker at this year Forest County Bigfoot Festival held in Marionville, Pennsylvania. That's going to be going to be June twelfth to the fourteenth up in Marionville, Pennsylvania. That festival, folks, gets a lot of foot traffic, Yes it does. There's a lot of people that make it to that event. And we'll be there, I think in some way, shape or form. I don't know if they give Matt a table or not, but. I'll have a table and I'll meet up with you beforehand. We'll grab the Sasquatch Experience tablecuver in some of the supplies and we'll bring it up here. Excellent, very good, and so that'll be in June. Of course, Sasquatch Experience Team will be in attendance at the Pennsylvania Paris Stormfest, East Huntington Township, Pennsylvania on July eleventh. I don't know how many of the team members are going to be there, but I am and Baker's going to be there, and of course we'll have more information on that as we go along down the line. Uh So a couple events will be at. We did not make it to any of the big events this year. Guys, we've all been kind of we've all been laying low and folks, if you've not been part of the conference circuit or part of the uh it's a lot. It takes just as much time to prepare and go to spend at a conference as it does the present it one and we haven't always Matt and I tend to do the presentations at the smaller events. One day we'll get asked to do the big ones. But I'll tell you what, folks, if you want to have some dynamic speakers at your event, pick us. We're a lot of fun. Folks tend to like our presentations, and you usually end up getting a third James Baker for free, never advertised, but always happy to chip in, Always there for that and for as little as two dollars a month or two, could be a supporter of the Sasquatch Experience. In our revamped Patreon, we've got a lot more common. We've been off for three months, folks. We had a lot going on. We all needed a break. And it seems, guys, as the break we took, shit got weird, didn't it? Across the Bigfoot community. It's no sooner than we start taking a break than the proverbial shit hit the fan. I had to tell you. Vance is absent tonight, maybe joining us again here soon. He's on a hiatus. We wish him well. He's got a lot of things going on, so you know, when he ready to come back, he's ready to come back, he'll let us know. But until then we wish him well. Yeah, And like I said, shit got weird. Guys. We started off with the Ohio Bigfoot sighting flap, which caused quite a bit of controversy the flap, right, and mainly you know, our friend Jeremiah over the Bigfoot Society podcast jumped on it and started getting that information out there. But soon it started to take on a life of its own. And you know where my concern has always been. And this is where we're a little different at Sasquatch experience compared to a lot of our contemporaries anymore. Is we don't jump on the new We wait, we watch where it's going, We pay attention, and then we comment or get involved as we need to. And I think that's actually benefited us quite a little bit, you know, in that it's allowed us to be a part of the conversation but also not be part of the misinformation or part of the sometimes it's hard to phrase, part of the pop and circumstance of it, right, part of the inflation of it. So, guys, I'll give you a couple of minutes to opine on that. Henry, what were your thoughts on yet another bigfoot flap that started off pretty strong in Ohio but fizzled out as quickly as it started. Well, I think you've a what you do about nothing. I think a lot of the more copy passed it was, what, man, it's hysteria going on? Well, you know, and that's something I always think about in these flaps, and I'm sure they had that same issue in Westmoreland County in the seventies and whenever these bigfoot hot spot you know, bigfoot hotspots things, you know, kind of kind of went out there. Baker Matt. Well, I I didn't follow a lot of it because honestly, I had some other things that kind of irritated me about the whole pats and give them thing and a few other things. So really, honestly, like I don't like when we get a little of press, not because I don't think the field research is a bad thing. I don't think people getting involved as a bad thing. I just think when we get a lot of press fell, the people run around the woods screaming for no apparent reason, thinking they on ghost hunters or something, and then every little piece of everything has to be at big foot sighting. Hey I found some poop. Yeah, bare laid that shit leven alone, okay, you know, or or hey this happened. So like a lot of times when these things happen, said, we kind of sit back, drink a little bit, and go let's see what comes. Well, James Baker died. There, folks, there is right, Marry thought, there is bake your back buddy. Oh okay, Well I was done with my thought. Okay, Well you left us hanging there in mid thought. Well it just disappeared. Everybody went away, all right. Well, Matt basically go ahead, go ahead, no, go ahead, finish. Well, I wasn't sure when I stopped. But basically my concept was is we wait, we wait and see what goes on, and then we kind of look at where we can either contribute logistically or or realistically. Otherwise we just back away. Yeah, fair enough, Matt, go ahead. So I think one thing is is that this was a testament to just how much of a voice that Jeremiah has not within the community, but also outside of the Bigfoot community. Normally, we had a situation and Sean and I the whole group all knows it where we had two sightings that were in Pennsylvania out your state college. Sean and I had spoken to the to the witness and we were looking at, Hey, we're gonna go out. We're gonna hit the research area or that specific area. Uh in the next week. We're going to go and uh do measurements. We're gonna uh see uh take photos. We're gonna we're gonna proceed like it's a like it's a regular uh you know, any sort of investigation. I think when Jeremiah put it out, I think it was gonna be targeted at the big Foot community people like all of us. But it just got out and it got bigger and bigger. And bigger and bigger until you have you know, Fox News ABC uh and making this uh you know, uh top of the morning news at that time. So uh. I think that there was some that were definitely uh possibly uh, you know, good sightings. But again I think there was others that once hysterias there, they're just pigging back, piggybacking on it, and it goes on and on and on, and as an investigator, it really kind of ties us up because we're looking at these ones that people said, hey, I heard something, but you know, it's a squirrel or it may be something else, whereas the legitimate ones we haven't gotten to yet. And again I don't I don't think that it was anything that anyone did. It's just that it really blew up so, you know, maybe open some eyes up too. Well. I think that's the frustrating part though, Matt, is it opened it up and in doing so attracts a lot of positive and negative attention to the topic. Unfortunately, as it starts lumping in with some of the more crazy elements of this field, we start losing traction, right And I have to tell you, the loonies have come out of the bin and it's time to start putting them back in there. You know, I've always been respectful of the opinions, but my god, they're starting to get force full. And you know, this pseudo christian sasquatchery, and you have people out there now going and jumping on other people's productions to say if they're Christian enough. First of all, and I actually one thing is somebody that took a swipe at Strange Knox magazines that were affiliated with you know, who the hell gives you the right to judge anybody in their level of Christianity? And who the hell gives you the right to judge anybody and their level of credibility? First of all, look at that badge up in the corner of the show. I'd say twenty years right. If anybody is going to be a judge of anybody's credibility here, it's going to be me. And if you don't like it, click off and fuck off. I really don't have time for it. But what you're not going to do is come at me or come at anybody else that we're affiliated with. And you know, start, you know, who the hell do you think you are? And and again I talk about how things have really gone crazy, man, they have in three months. We stop pleasing ourselves because once again we go back to fighting over a sixty year old film that you know, whether it's real or not. I mean, And at this point, ladies and gentlemen, you know, that fight in itself is becoming embarrassing the Bigfoot community stearing each other apart over it. And we've kind of been neutral in that. And you know, I don't want to say it's because we don't care, but we don't care. I mean, it's it's never been the basis of our of our belief right. So we've got crazy pseudo Sasquatch Christians out there, you know, trying to do their righteous crusade. We've got Ohio Bigfoot flaps flopping up all over the place and pissing off the Ohio Bigfoot researchers. Which is a point, ladies and gentlemen, nobody really talked about, was the actual investigators that lived in Ohio. Why didn't any of them get the stories? Why didn't any of them get the reports? How the hell does it miss them? And they get blown up over a podcast. That's the question I have. And I guess maybe it's the way people take in information and the TikTok generation. But you know, it's just been it's the insanity. I've had enough, I really have. And you know, twenty years of doing this, we've seen them all. You know, these people are nothing compared to Eric Beckeard and the fruitcakes we fought back in the day. You know, guess what I won. He died. I won. I'm still here and I don't feel bad about that. He was a miserable prick, he really was, and he made a lot of people's lives miserable. But you know, when we start getting into you know, some of these things now where these it's really become character assassinations on fellow researchers. I've heard the term legacy Bigfoot crew, legacy Bigfoot researchers, celebrities, legacy Bigfoot grifters. I mean, can we all just be honest and call a spade a spade here? I think everybody in this business is trying to make a buck off it, right, We've not made a lot of bucks off it, but everybody's trying to make a buck off it. Does that make it a grift or does that make it entertainment? And what's the difference. I think with a grift, you tend to not get something for the money you know that you put out there, or you get a you get a TM version of what you were looking for, right, But I don't see that from a lot of the people going. You know, you've got folks running music, and is this all based on something that could be myth? And sure didn't stop the Greeks, didn't stop Disney from horn out hercules, did it? And so when you start looking at these myths and legends, what's it matter if people are turning in the stories and make it a little money off it. Now we're talking about the possibility of a biological primate here, and yeah, if we're trying to be scientific, makes it a little harder, But does it I don't know. I'm gonna stop talking for a little bit. There's a lot to digest for you three there, So go ahead, you guys, let me know who's going to go first. I'll jumping. So when it comes to the drifting or the money, I personally put out thousands of dollars for thermal cameras, for trash, for plaster, for DNA collection kits, game cameras. The list goes on and on gas just to to head up to our areas where it's almost four fifty eight gala now the other so and then even going to making money on this the Forest County Bigfoot Festival. They offer to pay me for the festival. What I did is I and I have to contract so I can verify it that money is going to the McKean County Child Effcstacy Center. I am paying my own way to go up there. I'm paying to have, you know, any brochures or any posters I have. Any money that's coming in is being donated to a good cause. And again with me working as a police officer dealing with child affaciacy centers all across the state, the McKean County actually helped me with with one specific case where we just put the guy in jail for three years. So with that being said, I am losing more money than anyone else and I am not going to sit there and when I hear people saying, oh you're you're making money, or oh you're doing this, take a look at take a look at how much money I spend and take a look at where that money's going. When we spoke last year, at the UH at Eric Aleman's group, I took my donation and gave that to the to the SPCA. So again, if we're using this as a grip, we're using it to donate to causes, or we're we're putting it to good use. Otherwise, like I said, everything's coming out of my pocket. Yeah, I mean that's a good thing. Even with the podcast here, you know, we donate more than we make every year through either Feed the Feed the Children Feeding America, the safe House. I mean, we put a lot of money back into the community. I make good money in what I do. I pay the bills for the show. The Patreon helps generate some of that little extra fun money we do. So we can you know, you know, buy a piece of equipment here, do something there. But for the most part, it's not self sustainable. I pay for it. Part of it is because we're really bad at promoting ourselves and uh. But but we do this because it is fun. It is a passion, and we like to give back to the communities we believe in. Now again, if it's a grift, it's a good grift, right. We're grifting for all the right reasons, And who the hell has someone else to tell someone how to spend their money. Yeah, and and honest to god, it's it gets a little contrite, but you know, really it this was even about that. That's just one talking point to it. But Henry, go ahead, We'll let you go, Bud. Well. As far as the whole controversity with capturing Bigfoot, the ptterison given, again, as you mentioned, we have say neutral on it. But but the thing is, we weren't there at this film site, so we don't know if the film is real or not, and who gives damn to the its. Or not? If we've had and if there are those of us who had experiences ourselves and had settings ourselves, then that is our number one point of contention. That's our number one thing that some sixty year old film. Now, Henry, you might take a little flak for that because you've really been involved in heavy on the Patterson film through the years, but you're open minded enough to say, hey, maybe we had been had And that's gonna suck for you because you know, when that news first came out, You're the first person I contacted and said, Henry, how you feeling you're okay about this? Because I knew you were personally invested in this in this film for a long time. Yeah, I was. There's some delay, folks, and we right around. Twenty twenty four, I started maintaining a neutral stance on it, and I figured I'm going to have a neutral stance on it, not it for or against it. So I figured that was the best way to go. And I think we do owe ourselves an opportunity to have to wait and watch this capturing Bigfoot documentary. And look, I've said it in the past. I've met Bob Gimlin, I've shaken hands without Giblon, I've had meals with Bob Gimlin. He invited me to come up and watch the fights with him. I you know, have nothing personal against Bob. I like Bob, but I love my grandfather too, and my grandfather had a great reputation and he could bullshit with the best of them. So there's always that part in my mind, and it's always been in the back of my mind that you know, maybe Bob just like Papa, he's been a good bullshitter and it's a potential, right, And I don't know, And sometimes, you know, the other position I take, and I've seen other people talk about it is when you start meeting people and talking to him and they start sharing their experiences with you, it makes you guilty and makes you not want to tell the truth. And if he had that potential years ago to do it, and the moment he started coming out and meeting people and talking to people, maybe felt that he'd hurt more people by saying it was that it wasn't. I don't know. See, I think the thing is is that you got to look at it this way, is how much flack did he take to how much he's getting for it, because honestly, minus the last twenty five years, maybe even fifteen years, he wasn't making any money. He wasn't making like signing autographs and going to to this place or that place or whatever. He was a guy. He was a guy who lived on the street that the parents go getting your vussos. He thinks he's free thing. But likewise, people weren't driving by his house throwing bricks through his windows either. You know, it's well, it's because he was different. I mean what he can't say that anyhow. Capturing Bigfoot, I think when it comes out, we needed to give it a watch. And I know that might upset some people because we're going to give money to the opposition, But isn't the opposition. We don't know that. Hell, I don't know where I'm at on this. And as much as I would like it to be real, there's a lot of things in life that I wish would be real. You know, my power Ball ticket would have been the winning number. There's a lot of things I wish. But in this world, guys, we wish in one hand and we shit the other and we see which one fills up first, right and right now we're in that full crumb of shit waiting to see which way it's going to drop. And I don't know. I think a lot of folks that I've talked to offline. I'm not going to give names because that's not my place. I've talked to a lot of people about this while we were off and there's a lot of division and a lot of split between it. But the thing that gets me the most is that everybody that's so caught up with it being real is just on the character of Bob, And in me, that's dangerous because there's always that potential of what if you know, they say, be careful when you meet your heroes, you only get set up for disappointment, right, But I don't part of me would love it, And god, folks, I hope I'm wrong, I really do. I hope this is a big nothing burger. I just don't know, and it puts you in an uncomfortable spot. Bat go ahead, you were going to say something. Yeah, and one thing is one side or the other. The Patterson Gimblin film is probably the most analyzed piece of footage, especially from you know people on our perspective in the last you know, fifty years once we started looking at it. Now we're taking in I know, I subscribed to Eric's YouTube and he sounds like, you're right, great but a great guy. But we're listening to one person who've viewed this movie. We need to see this movie all for ourselves. And then once we look at it and we see this infamous footage that needs to be looked at as much as and analyzed as much as the Patterson Gimblin film. If somebody's saying that I have something that will completely invalidate this, well, then that needs to reach that level of proof that the Patter Saint Gimlin film was holding. Up to well, listen if the film, if the suit was burnt. That's why we never got it right. But now has Scott Scott needle Lee, our good our good man, our friend, our best buddy, and the guy who was just at OBC over the weekend gave me a nice report. Thank you, Scott, you know, says what about the track cast from the site? You know, And honest to god, that's a that's a problem, right because if it is proven that it's a hoax, and that is going to put a lot of it And it disgusts me to say it a lot of disbelief on the work of folks like doctor Meldrum and you know, the others that have spent a lot of time looking at that. And I do think we have to get Daniel Perez back on to talk about this a little bit, because he's got that great book out on the Patterson Gimblin film. Uh. And you know, I have a lot of friends that are skeptics, and I think while there's been a great deal of excitement on that side of the fence, it's not as strong as I thought it would have been. And I think a lot of the infighting through the community has been a hell of a lot worse than what the skeptics have put out there. You know, the skeptics, all they get to do is say, oh, I told you so, I told you so. But you know, still there's nothing more than I told you so, because there's no until we all see it. And this is nothing against Eric from Harryman Road, and that poor guy's been getting the shit beat out of him verbally, and you know, to the point he's getting docked, and I don't know if anybody deserves that, you know, even if you know, he's coming forward and saying that you know what he saw and this is his belief. You know, when I watched his video it he came across as a guy that was bothered by what he saw, like part of his heart was broken. And that's something I think we all have to prepare for, you know, if you're a big proponent of that film, to have your heart broken. But the skeptic response was a little tamer than what I expected it to be. And the community, again, like I said, is just tearing itself apart. People fighting amongst each other and guys, I just to this point, I'm staying on the fence until we see that documentary. And I've always been leaning towards the other way anyhow. It's not that I don't like Bob, it's you know, it's I've always been a little bit more towards the Hoak side myself. So stuff impersonal. Any final thoughts on that before we let Baker go at it with his cocaine hippos. The whole purpose why everybody tuned in tonight was cocaine hippos in bread water beasts in bread water beasts. Boy, Jimmy trick, our good man me trick. Get on Facebook and follow Jimmy and once a week he throws the trick shot up there and he makes a great beverage. So follow him up, send him some uh, send him some recipes. I like to see what he's making. And as Scott's one final point before I do finally throw it over to Baker again, some good commentary on the Ohio bigfoot flap during the OBC Speaker town hall on Sunday, and Scott, you gave me a good breakdown on some of that. And again I'm always leary folks about talking about things I didn't attend, not because they don't trust Scott. But because I didn't buy a ticket, so I don't want to go out there, and you know, spoil for everybody that did. But go ahead, Baker, You're in bread water beasts aka cocaine hippos. So we talk a lot about different things and ecological rangifications and things like that and how how you know what's the possibilities. So I'm taking an existing story. So this man, he was a drug dealer, Pablo Escobar. He wasn't your standard drug dealer. He was he was on the high level of the drug dealers. You know, there's that guy that the smells on the courtner and that there's Escobar. Okay. So in the eighties he was like, you know what, I'd like to see some hippos. So he bought four hippos Adam Trees burn Over from Columbia, one male, three females, and for some you know, around the nineties he had quite a few, and then of course he had some of the delicious and made that he couldn't take care of the zoo as much as he'd like to. And as of two thousand and seven, there are at least too there were at least two hundred of them Wow. Now, the thin with the hippo is that that's one male, three females within within twenty seven years, had you know how how many offspring. But the thing is is there's no natural predators. And the hippo itself has an eight months gestation. They have one, they have one cub or. I don't know what they're called hip bat, we'll call it, okay, little hippie, you know. Of course those little hippes talk to you know, got with the other little hipp aes and then made more little hippies. That's where I get the idea in bread. That's why hippo's not a lot of teeth. They're in bread, you know. But but the fact is is like you had four hippos and if you left them alone, they turned into two hundred. They're saying by twenty thirty five, that could be up to a thousand of them. For Columbia. It's an ecological disaster because there is no natural predator. They're eating everything they can and I don't know, if you take the time to read about hippo, they're not pleasant. No, they're dangerous. They killed more people a year than sharks, oh in lions. Yeah, they're there, you're a dangerous animal. Uh like if you ever watched the movie Congo. Okay, hippos are not cute. Okay, they'll rip three you with a any trouble, and they don't care, and they eat almost anything they can fine. And so my concept is there is a lot of times we talk about the only people have only seen maybe one or two sasquash or or some kind of other unchecked date, which I know that some of you guys have followed my concepts on the the the misplaced dates in the United States and in different countries like that. But to show you what you want to to show you is is that this man brought over four hippos and within twenty years there were two hundred of them. Okay, with a limited genetic gene pool, because it started with four you know, and one daddy and three mamas, three baby mamas created two hundred other in bread hippos. They're in bread disipline, all right. So but we have a lot on that caveat yeah. Well you know, well, hey, but you know what you talk about two hundred hippos coming from those four parents, uh, you know, and to have two hundred of them from that mutated polluted gene pools. Pretty remarkable because a lot of times when you have that inbreeding, they don't survive. Well, that's the other thing is like, then you look at the reces monkeys that are in the swamps and some of the other places. You know, the herpes monkey wait, you know, and that came from. A few eights got together, you know, and and created just massive colony. You have snakes and all kinds of animals. And what I'm saying is is that I know that we're kind of using this as a as a science space. And what I wanted to bring this up was is that a lot of people say, Okay, well I only saw you know, I've only had three sightings in different areas. You know, how can there be a pod of how many? But if you look at four hippo with a gestation period of eight months can create two hundred within twenty years. These things have been around hundreds of years. How many would be around even if you at a small base in the beginning, you know. And so it's up uh huh. So that's a fair question, and. It it brings to the point, is a lot of people pieces monkey cups. Yeah, you don't want that. It's her piece, Okay, look it up, trust me, Okay. But like there's a lot of people like this, these people from what I think, there's a high end guy wants to buy eighty of them from them and get them transport. It's still not going to do anything because there's two hundred of them, you know. Now you look at you look at that same concept on let's say we based sasquatch off an epe, right, anybody disagree with that, like an eight lan like form. HI think on this on this diaceis I mean minus the people will believe it's an ethereal creature and blah blah blah. And you know what if it's an ethereal creature that it might pop out six at a time, or might eat an extra carrot and have twelve who knows, you know. But if you think of an ape, an ape has the same eighth months, you know, it creates one ape at a time, So you wouldn't meet with a small genetic base. You could still have hundreds of these things wandering around. It was my thought, I kind of like, you know, I kind of was reading the thing about the hippop the same problem that Kenna is having with the uh, the pigs they had. They had brought in pigs for a specific reason. They got out and now they're a horrendous ecological disaster because they don't have any natural prod. No wolf is going after a hippo, you know, No jaguarars aren't jumping on top of them and hoping. Okay, you know, so, like I just I wanted to bring that up, and I just wanted your guys have thought, you know, populate, you know, how how the population could be for these the animal we don't know exists, by using an animal that we do know exists and is flourishing. Matt, I'll let you go first. I'm trying to make that I'm trying to think of something that's the least controversial thing to say. I've said in bread like six times. You're safe, dude. Yeah, yeah, but no, I mean it goes deeper. There's I guess in historical times, their cousins, first cousins, second cousins, becoming spouses and having children were more common, especially in smaller areas. And yeah, yeah, and to this day there's still people that do that. I know with certain animals there's different ways that they protect their genetics. So if it's a deer, the bucks will drive off the the young the young deer to keep them away from from certain females, including the mother. There's other ones that they know by scent that it's a family, that it's a sibling or. Or an immediate family member, and they're going to be directed away from doing any sort of breeding with that. But that may not include when you go branch into the out of the family tree, the immediate family tree into secondary in in chtiary relations. So you know, it's kind of disgusting, but it's happened like that for you know, probably until the seventeen hundreds. So I had to throw that comment in there, Matt, I know I know how to throw that in there. But you know, when Baker you were talking about that, I started going down into see how could what's natural? What what natural? What is great ape reproduction and cycle like? Right, So, chimps give a birth to an average of three to six babies in their lifetime. They reach sexual maturity at thirteen years old, and they lived to about forty or sixty years old. Right. Gorillas have about two to six babies. They reach maturity at ten years old. They lived till are about fifty or sixty. But what's interesting about gorillas is that they take usually three to four years off in between of having babies, so their growth rate is slower because they're not reproducing as fast. And it's the same with the rangutans. Or rangutans give birth to three to four in their lifetime, but they have like the longest birthing interval of apes of six to nine years in between their babies, and they hit fourteen at sexual maturity and they lived to about forty or forty five. So I think the reproduction rate may be slower than the hippopotamuses. But if we could take that and let's say a sasquatch maybe has let's say five babies in their lifetime and they hit maturity at thirteen, I mean maybe they take a longer birthing interval as well in between those. I don't know. Forrest Floor or our friend Emily put out an interesting post on Instagram the other day about sasquatch families. You know, we go back to the sasquatch family structure. Albert Osmo right, he was captured at the Toba Inlet and held captive by the Sasquatch family. He kind of gives a story of the dynamic of the kids, the mom, the old man gives them some snuff, makes him sick and gets the hell out of Dodge. And I think that's probably the first story we have, Henry, you can correct me if I'm wrong on kind of a Sasquatch family structure. But then through the years, go ahead, Yeah, but then through. The correct as far as I know, that's that's the first time we ever heard about that, right. And then through the years we get citing reports of what we consider juvenile sasquatch or you know sasquatch. Hell, there's been stories of people you know, being shown sasquatch infants and you know, bearing bigfoot babies and all other kinds of horseshit over the years. But there's some pretty interesting stories out there, nonetheless, whether I consider them horsecrap or not, right, that have been out there so we could take a look at the great apes themselves. And I think part of the population issue with gorillas, and they're why they still may be endangered is that low interval, that long interval between birthing cycles, right, and they don't really you know how does that you know, when I and I get my gears going to think how that relates back to the Sasquatch. You know, Baker, you talk about how you know the population explodes with just a small number. We don't know how many there are. And even if that number is that started off with four and went to two hundred, if we started off with two hundred and that went to eight hundred, that's still quite a few Sasquatch for something that doesn't not supposed to exist. And this that number grows over the years. So let's say even if it grows at half the rate, you know, you're still looking at a sizable population in North America. And does that correlate with the amount of sightings that we have here over year? I don't know. This is where we really got a bag one and study, right, We really have to get the study going, and I think we have to do more, you know, going into some of these reports and looking at that data. Matt with the Bigfoot citing reports, juvenile activities, so on and so forth. Yeah. And another another point too is you brought a birth rates, but we also have to look at death rates as well, because if they have a shortened lifespan and you have just a certain amount of replacements species, it's going to maintain that that smaller population. Animals in general, like birds and some other animals that maybe even squirrels that may only live a couple of years. Now with squirrels and rodents, the problem is when they have a birth, they have six of them, you know, mice only have you know, they might only look a year and a half if they have nine babies, you know, or more. But the fact is that their thrive to make more is usually more active because not that they know they're going to die in three years, but they just there's something in them that says, I got. To make more. I got to make more, you know, compared to you know, thirty five year old sasquatch. That's you know, my thirty five year old sasquatch or some other creature that goes heh, you know as bad as that time We don't, you know. But these animals are just you know, every spring, it's now if you if you had a mouse and it's only reproducing similar to scale down to the popular of great apes or or humans, you wouldn't see, you know. It. They'd be such an irrelevant species. Right right, And that's the sigmal to mice even because it only takes one or two mice to create a colony, and the coloning can grow to a point of you know, massive. And at the same point, if you have that colony and it's and it starts by by a male and a female mouse and they're they're having nine offspring every cycle, eventually some of those offspring are reproducing with you know, other offspring from those same parentage. That's a question if that was ask about animals, Like, I'm not I'm not a biologist or animal I can't think of the word amphogists, blah blah blah. You know, I don't look at the mating of animals. Well there wasn't one video, but that was completely different. But but the thing is, like you got to realize is that they don't develop the same way. See humans, like you were talking about the inbreeding of the eighteen hundreds and the royal families and things like that, where they started to leave the chin and they started to have brain defects. Animals don't work the same way on the cognitive level, you know, so in a way, some of the things that would make humans insane or wrong or whatever. After two or three generations of inbringing may not even affect an amb Hence my point of you know, one daddy and three baby mamas created two hundred and there'll be a thousand. They didn't introduce more hippos. I don't think pabably did that from jail, like, hey, we need to mail in some more hippos because you know, Bob's been sleeping those same three chicks for six years. Yeah, you seem to be pretty intimately involved in this process, James. Were you the ones that brought the hippos into m Were you the like choke god hippos smuggler the hippos? And you know what's fascinating about the whole thing is, uh, did he bring them over to use them for anything other than just a sign of his wealth? Like was he using them like pigs, you know, you throw people in there and feed them people or was it just for his vanity? Well, yeah, they said that hippos can strip down a body, and they did, were killing some fishermen. But the fact is that he had he had a little micro zoo that he used, you know, and he had different kinds of animals. But the hippos were the ones that really escaped and had problems with I don't know, maybe, and I might be wrong because the article really didn't explain it. Well. He might have brought in samples from other hippos to diversify the whatever. But the way I understand it is he didn't have those hippos very long until the government decided that his particular job wasn't needed. Yea, And now listen, this show was not to advertise the upcoming movie Hungry, which is about a killer hippopotamus, but if you're so inclined, in June June twenty third, Hungry will be released to audiences nationwide. Hungry Hungry hipp does Walt Disney movie based on is bullshit either, No, it's a horror movie called Hungry. That's fantastic there. Yeah, we're gonna take a look. We'll watch that one. So Henry, any any insight you'd like to offer thoughts from you? And you know, well, I don't have any hippo in breeding thoughts. But as far as sadsquoting, free go ahead, Henry it with Baker hot stuff alung. As far as sensquatch even breeding thoughts, there is always possibility that the reason that we have three and four toed foot prints is because of the inbreeding. What is the when is the bug crank moster? But it's the hell out of the swamp mooster both have three toes of each bullet. Yeah, I mean that's always been a part of conversation as well as some of the aggressiveness was always you know, also attributed to, you know, potential some inbreeding defect and you know, not that we're you know, trying to sensationalize those the stories, but those are things have always been talked about over the years as potential reasons, you know, aggressiveness. Is that why there's white bigfoot? You know, the albino bigfoot sightings, the white haired colored creatures, genetic disparages, right, they could all be attributed to a lack of genetic diversity. Perhaps I can't take him anywhere, folks, James Baker, he's here all week. I'm sorry, Henry. It's different being back. I'll say that for the last three months we've not really done this. So we're still trying to swim our way back to salvation here and we've had a lot to talk about. We could probably go on for hours, but I think the cliff notes versions of some of these topics are better left touched when we go more in depth on each and every one of them. Matt, we haven't really gotten any sightings lately since the beginning of the year. I think we've had a couple. We had some in the fall, and we actually had a really good report work come in from a reliable witness right on the outer boundary of our research area. And I'll tell you it's a big area. It's a wild area to Hammersley Fork area. This is also just north of State College where you know, last last spring and into the summer there was two Class A sidings in that area. But as for now, I've been talking to a person who has had some experiences vocalizations and such out on the near the Appalachian Trail, and I've been following up with that person. But as for anything else, there has been a lot of people out in the woods. We just started falling or spring turkey season, so I think with that we're going to start seeing more and more reports come in into the summertime. But compare the last year, it's been you know, fairly fairly late. Yeah, no flat for us this year aside from that little snap food and around Penn State. And honestly, Matt, we're still on the fence about that. Yes, we got kind of burnt on that one, ladies and gentlemen, Matt and I and I don't know if he and I have really reconciled where we're at with it. No, And and again, that was when we were talking about the Ohio Bigfoot flap. We talked to the witness, we were going out there the very next weekend, and then literally a day later, it's blasted on BFRO with the exact same tree where this guy was hiding from. You can look behind this tree and search for any evidence. Everyone go out. There and next thing, you know, a good friend of mine told me that every every parking lot, every trailhead was packed for about a month afterwards. People were going out there and knocking on the trees and doing their hows, and whatever was out it was in there had long gone. Yeah, it doesn't help. Fuck No, I don't blame it. And that's the problem. You know, too many people mark up these areas. It's the same with Ohio. When I was talking to Mike Hartman about going out and checking out some of those Mike went out previously, he and I having a conversation about it, and the same thing. All the areas you would want to go to to investigate, we're all full of people that you know, curiosity kills the cat. It also kills your research. Yes, so again, folks, be smart about what you're talking about, where you're putting it and it has you know. Yes, some of these things may be good for ratings. I understand that, but they're not great for research. And when you're us, we balance that doesn't mean we're better than anybody else. I'm not throwing any shade at anybody. I'm just saying for us, it's still a good amount about research. And the podcast is our outlet right for our entertaining outlet, but a lot of it. We still need these these reports to come in and you could do that, folks. Sasquatch Experience dot com, go to our Facebook reporters. This actually our website is down. It'll be coming back up in the next couple of weeks. I got a lot of things I'm doing with it. I was we were on pod page for a while, but I don't know. It wasn't the userist friendly site, so as we migrate over to another source, uh you know, Facebook, Facebook, dot Com, forward slash Sasquatch experience. Any final thoughts for you gentlemen the night before I wrap us up. Yeah, really quick with me. I I just want to give I want to give a huge shout out. Oh so I want to give you give a huge shout out to my friends out like Chris Fencer and those guys at Study Sasquatch. Uh follow their YouTube page or they're on Facebook, Twitter as well. X. But they've been doing a lot of live uh investigations where they're they're going up over the weekends bringing a drone out over the over their research area with the Olympic Pollins Peninsula. Uh. They are in fantastic, fantastic group of researchers. Do everything very structured. Uh they have and they'll show you with from thermals and from from game cameras this is what we're getting. And they're honest about it. You know, Hey, we're we're we got an elk or we got a uh you know, a bear coming through it. Uh. They're not you know, fluffing anything up. They're giving you the real deal on on how we we go out doing this research and like I said, just a wonderful, wonderful group of guys there. You having a little publicity for our friends up there. Go ahead, Henry, you were going to say something, and I'll let you take us out. Well as far as the whole capturing. From what I just. Than, there's gonna be something announcements coming up about that. We'll be soon, maybe this summer. Yeah, definitely, Henry. We have to get some some eyes on that before we can go ahead and go further with it, right, exactly, all right, Henry, take us out with those dulcet tones. Yeah, I'll be good. It'd be good at it. Folks, Thanks for listening, being patient with us again, like a fine wine. We'll get better the more we get out there. And uh, we'll see you in two weeks with another episode. Keep on squatching. Everybody ingin you've been listening to The Sasquatch Experience, Please rate and review wherever this podcast is consumed. 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