Dan Nedrelo Part I

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The search never stopped. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. Indeed, it's quiet. Hello, hit somebody out here. And good evening everyone. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday, July thirteenth, twenty twenty six. I'm Sean the fork Chop Worker, your host, and tonight we have a great guest with us, mister Dan Adrello from Wisconsin. But he's all over. You can't tie Dan down, and we're going to get to Dan in just a minute. But gentlemen, we have a full crew tonight. It's great to have everybody here. Yes, indeed, we got vance back. Baker, Henry's here, Matt's here. He's on mute, but he's here, and we are going to have a great show tonight, folks. I hope you enjoy this we have. This past weekend, we attended the first ever pair of storm Fest in Tarspa, myself and Jim Baker. We got to hang out with Stan Gordon, Eric Altman, Tommyhawk, the Tricks, our friends, Jimmy and d D, Mike Ann, Christy London, the beautiful Blue Eyed n Path. We had a lot of fun, guys. It was a great time. It was the first event of its kind. We got to meet doctor Greg Forbes. If you're a severe weather or enthusiast like I am in honor to meet doctor Forbes and looking forward to the next one if they have another one. It was a good time. I had a lot of fun there at that event. Thanks to the PA storm Chasers for hosting it and inviting us along. It was a great time. I can't say anything more positive about it. It was a great experience, great to see my friends. And my big question to you, Sean, how Stan doing. Dan's great? No, that's awesome to hear. He looks that. He's younger every time I see him, right, like he's aging in reverse. Well that's good to know because he's one of my favorites and. Rightfully so, like we didn't try to kill him this time, No, no, not this time. There was no Marge, there was no death march for Stan Gordon. So we had a great time with Stan. Actually hung out with Dan most of the day. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, it was. We had a lot of fun. And of course, you know, everybody talks about that seventy three bigfoot UFO flap in Westmoreland County, right which is the you know, the lynch Pin. I think of a lot of Stan's research and presentations and he hits on that without a beat. And I'll tell you there's a lot from that still coming forward to this day. You never know if you're going to meet yet another witness from that time frame who comes forward. So yes, there's always merit and talking about some of these old. Almost a deathbed confession, right you never know, right, you don't. And folks, as they progress in life get a little bit more open, especially as these as these topics become more mainstream. I had brain fart there forgiving me. That's all right. So it was a great time, great time had by all. And before I kick us off and get over to Dan, I do want to make a couple of show of notes. This Saturday, July eighteenth, if you're listening to the podcast, Matt will be representing the Appalachian Plateau Project and US at the Appalachian Conjure Folklore, Magic and Moonshine event at the Thunderhead Lodge and andres Pa Matt, are you I think Andreas Pennsylvania? Yep, Andreas at the Thunderhead Lodge to twenty twenty West penn Pike Andreas paw one one and it's from twelve to five, So stop buy and see Matt. Take your picture, give him a little love because he loves going to this event. This is your second year going, right, man, second year at this event. Wonderful event. We'll be talking about bigfoot reports along the Appalachian Trail in Pennsylvania. And we had so many people come up last year that lived in the area and thing basically gave us a new hotspot. Oh really, yes, Our executive producer Brian says, bring the moonshine home, Matt. He wants you to bring some moonshine many. Yes, yeah, sure you will. Yeah, just be sure it's legal to travel, all right. Then we had the fourth annual Central Pennsylvania Bigfoot and Crypted Festival on Saturday, August the fifteenth, at nine am at the Susquehanna Valley Mall won Susquehanna Valley Drive, Feeling's Grove, PA one seven eight seven oz. I'll be there as the MC with the team of the Sasquatch Experience. I don't know who us is going to show up yet, but we've been there every year and it's a great event. It's going to be inside, air conditioned, and there's going to be a heck of a lot of speakers, so we're going to have a great time at that event. And then the second annual White Deer Community Park Bigfoot and Bluegrass Festival on Saturday, September twelfth at ten am Rainer Shine at the White Deer Community Park nine to nine two White Deer Pike, White, Dear Pa. I'll be speaking at that event as well as Gwen Purcell from Gotten Knockers. Bill Rigby will be there and it's going to be a great time. So hopefully I didn't miss anybody from that speaking lineup, but if I did, check these we'll be posting them on our Facebook page, Sasquatch Experience. Check us out, come see us as we start winding down the year. We've been at very few events this year, and so catch us while you ken, gentlemen, any of the places you're going to be at. Anything I missed before I jump into Dan. Nothing? Oh wow, that's a huge. Well for the folks that really came here tonight for some entertainment and some really good information. We have a great researcher tonight. And I say great because I've known Dan a long time. Mister Dan Adrella from Wisconsin. Dan is a wildlife photographer with a tractor's instinct and a bigfoot researcher with decades of field grip behind him. Known for blending scientific discipline with boots on the ground investigations. The drellispect years navigating the deep woods, analyzing sighting reports, and documenting wildlife behavior that most people never get close enough to witness. A trained herpetologist and veteran naturalists, his photography has appeared in museums, observation programs, and educational exhibits nationwide. But it's this calm, methodical approach to the Sasquatch phenomenon, cutting through the noise, focusing on habitat behavior and biological plausibility that's made him a respected voice in the field. Whether he's breaking down credible encounters, discussing ecological patterns, or sharing stories from nights spent and remote willnesses. Dan brings sharp insight, grouted expertise, and a no nonsense perspective to every conversation. And Dan, welcome in the Sasquat experience. Thanks for joining us tonight. Heard and fully appreciated. So thank you, Dan. We've known each other since probably the mid double lots there in the early two thousands. For folks, bigfoot research has been going on for a long time. Dan and I are kind of old heads, and we're not talking about the gray hairs. We're just talking about the length of time we've spent in the field. But Dan, what makes you unique is you really get your ass out there and you go all over and you've been well tell us some Well, first of all, let's do two things. Tell us how the hell you got started in this. The first paragraph always has to start with missus Betty Weber, my fifth grade teacher. She made a mistake of saying the word bominable snowman in fifth grade. That led to a quick check in Encyclopedia. Holy you know what Yetti's and Shipton and the Malayas and some adults are taking this serious. But why no scientific verification? Boy, I had no idea what was coming around the corner on that one. But that led to Ivan T. Sanderson's book. And I was ten years old in fifth grade. That happened to be sixty seven, So I'm dated an old guy. I'm gonna be seventy next year, which is incredibly difficult and ridiculous to believe. But time flies, especially when you're having fun, and that's what I'm trying to do here is keep this fun, because this could be one of the most frustrating attempts. I had to wait fifty nine years for my first diurnal observation WOW, which happened to occur last year. After I was speaking in Alabama, I was on my way back to visit friends. I was going to try to hook up with Tina Harder, but I didn't have enough time to give her heads up, so so I hooked up with some other friends in Indiana. I'll go into that in a bit. But after doing a quick literature search all through middle school, high school, I couldn't find adults to talk to about it, so I was kind of like a one man show. I went on to u W Stevens Point and got a degree in wild i apology. I knew I was going to be a herpetologist in third grade, so I was kind of like the American version of Steve Irwin. I just kept, you know. I didn't have video cameras or anything like that, but I did document every damn trip that I went on and every new species I found. And I hooked up with a guy after I graduated from college by the name of Alan Sheldon, and we happened to be some of the premier reptile amphibian photographers actually in North America. So we competed against some of the best photographers in North America in Europe to place our photography, and we did fairly well. I also eventually got into weddings and scenics and model work and just up and down lines of photography. And then all of a sudden we go digital, and then everybody's got their equipment, and all of a sudden it became more difficult to place published photographs. I still do it. I just had one with Minnesota Volunteer Magazine actually this month, and that was kind of the beginning of it. Then I didn't get to travel much as a kids, so as soon as I got my driver's license, I was off to Arkansas, and by the time I was eighteen, I hit Florida for the first time when I met al and we went all up and down the United States, and then eventually I worked for a department in the Army and took different contract jobs doing reptile and amphibian surveys. Eventually val assessment work with birds and amphibian's reptiles. But my love for this was being a wildlife photographer, getting as close to anything as I can for anything that sucked air, whether it was a tiny little invertebrate or big macro. I still haven't got the big wheel work done, but I want to get that as soon as I can. And basically just snapping thousands of photographs to make sure that you've got the best chance at the very best piece that nobody else's got, because that's what's going to take the place if you're going to go for publishing. So oh absolutely, college who drives the direction. You're quite credentially and we're always pleased to have folks with credential backgrounds to join us on the shelf. While there's no experts in bigfoot, the thing I like. To point out because people always bust our balls because we use we talked to the experts and the opener. We talked to experts in their field of expertise. So we talked to photographers, we talked to law enforcement people that are professional in their field, that bring an expertise to this field. So while there are no experts bigfoot, there are experts in photography. There are experts present data collections. So that's what I mean when I say we talked to the experts. Those are the people we talked to and Dan. One of the things we talk about here as well is wilderness safety. So when you're talking about wild life, somebody of your background being able to tell people, hey, you know what, watch for the hell you step. You can end up on the backside or the bad side of a rital snake and then you're screwed. You know. Those are the reasons why we bring people with credentials on the. Show to share and educate and inform the publics who are really pleased to have you, not just from the big foot standpoint, but from your overall perspective of wilderness, wilderness safety, and photography, because it is important that we talk. About some of those things. Did you ever get a chance to tell missus weber out much of an impact she had on you? I did, Yeah, if she laughed and giggled the whole time. And I actually did tell her what my other interests were because she knew about the you know, I mean, I got my first book in strict fielding. I was in ninth grade by the time I graduated from high school. She was thirty pounds on her way to Milwaukee to be bred, and we had two litters in nineteen eighty and nineteen eighty, so that was nice. When I went to college, I got my first baby, reticulated pyth arm which is the longest species on the planet. And of course I was also sneaking rytlesnakes and copperheads in and things like that. But that little python came in dehydrated at thirty three inches out of Southeast Asia, and by the time I graduated from college, she was over one hundred and forty pounds wow, thirventeen feet long. What was hilarious was we used to sit in the lounge when I was in the dorm weather and she'd hit her own chair and would sit in West airday Live and no big deal, was just caln So she would get the lounge during the day when I had classes, I'd come back and almost typically we had piles of luna cans, hundreds of pounds of little cans. She would go into that because of the heat aspect, but inevitably there'd be a coil of her out and she's big around as a as a fullbacks thigh, so I mean, you know, she's a big girl, and so it was quite comical to see guys bring their girlfriends over and what are you looking at? Well, look at that, and then she'd move and then there'd be panicked. But I would take her to kindergarten classes at her full range of seventeen feet, and I have little children pick her up like a like a fire hose. And wo last, crazy, last. And I would take diamondbacks and alligators and all kinds of good things in And that's part of all I made my living for. You know, I have a I have a quick question for you. Have you observed that females are a little bit more docile and gentle than the males. Regarding pythons in general? Yes, correct, I would say, as an individual variation thing. But if you're gonna broadband swoop it, i'd say yes. Yeah, I kind of figured as much. Is that a fact? Why that is? Is that a fact? While they have eggs and stuff like that, because I know that, like we talk about apes a lot and a lot of the other species, like some of the animals are docile. But I'm going if they like you know, like a standard bear will leave you alone, if it's best choice, but if it has cubs, it's more likely to fight right. Well, when you start young, yes. When you start throwing in testosterone in territory and things of that nature, that comes into the reptile world too, But typically if you're you know, the last thing you want is somebody to take a full bite in the face from something that's got significant teeth that could do damage, especially to the eyes or you know, the cosmetic appearance of somebody's face. So you have to be damned well familiar individual animals you're using, and also what the you know, what the touch points are, What can we do that's going to cause a potential problem. They haven't pulled all the little contracts that say under no circumstances they won't do anything, so anything had happened anytime. Luckily, I never had any problems in that forty years. Just one experiment that went wrong. It was one of my twelve foot Bremese. I I had a class that wanted to see aggression and way I can think of it was to do a feeding reaction with a with a lab rat and of course it was my hand and fortunately I didn't have to pull any teeth. It's interesting with hospital personnel and all kinds of good stuff going on. I think I think we turned the show into the snake squatch experience. I think we did a good job. Which is all right. But Dan, getting back to our topic, I think we could take this on the snakes all night. So you got a balatable snowman, right, How did you get pressed into service into Bigfoot? What said Dan? Okay, I'm going out and I'm checking out these woods for a big Harry Homelet. Okay, I couldn't figure out where they were. And in two thousand ninety it was the early nineties, I worked as for the Department Natural Resources as a herpetologist and eventually as an environmental assessment guy. And I had sasquatch on my mind the whole time because before that job, in the eighties, I was in Missouri the Ozarks and working at a private zoo and also a private abandoned zoo, and I felt watched there all the time. Coincidentally, that happened to be at age twenty two, that happened to be the time when I finally got my hand on John Green's Bible. Apes among us and we all know how much we love that piece of work. Well, that really hit me hard because I was trying to parallel behavior from Sanderson and compare with Sanderson's reports and all that good stuff with tracking and sightings and behavior and locations and timing and all that stuff. So that's kind of the start of it. By the time I hit the nineties, I still had not seen tracks, I had not gotten a vocalization. I didn't know where or how what was going on. Somehow, my sister made a bet with me. In two thousand, our mom passed away. We both inherited some incredible artistic capability from her, and so I was actually a biological illustrator as well, which I used for environmental education. And when she passed away, my sister made me two bets. One that wouldn't become computer illiterate. I wouldn't become computer literate because I hated computers at the time. And she also said, I bet you don't network sasquat research professionally. Well, I don't know that you can't do that anyway, But what she meant was there are people out there that are notable names. I dare you to work with them. And so I got online, started messing around with reports, kept hitting the same guy who I forgot his name at the moment, but he happened to be Matt Moneymaker's partner, and I would bug him with questions. Finally he simply said, who the hell are you and why do you want to know all this? And I was basically asking him, are you guys making a profit of this, I guess taking people for a ride? Or is this significant, legitimate research? What's going on? And he asked if I had a resume. I said yes, I sent it to him and in two days they literally gave me the password and the BFR own started sending me hair scat vocalizations and I finally got to meet some of the people online who interested me in the subject. In the first week. It's the first place with their books name with John Green, and I became a pretty good friend of John Bendernago at the time, and some of those guys, and then people started writing me privately explaining and sharing their experiences, so I had live witnesses on hand. My first field work was in Oklahoma with Elton Higgins down down at Project X where the where the wood ape work has been done, and from there I started going out on my own, ended up in Tennessee, ended up in Indiana, I ended up over Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, and I still didn't have a vocal that I could put a finger on. I had some suspect ones, babies crying in the woods. I had doors being slammed. I had. Bad odors, you know, some whistles, things like that, but nothing I could put a finger on. It took me till I finally left to be off at two thousand and four and just kind of slid out the back door. Took four years off, came back. One of the first people to greet me when I came back was Matthew Nap of Crossroads, our buddy Matt Nap, that's right, and he kind of I was going to be doing some presentations on the subject. Yeah. He helped me out with a few things, some vocals that he had created, et cetera. And then one by one I started reuniting with my old friends. We became new friends again, and I didn't lose very many people doing my absence. I gained it many and my independence allowed me to do whatever I wanted. Was all having somebody told me I shouldn't do that, so that means I made many mistakes, and I had to because I was trying to learn things. What happens when you do this, what happens when you do that. Wood knots at the time weren't even hardly officially acceptable like they are now. That was one of the key ingredients that allowed me to start picking up vocals locally in the Driftlece area of south western Wisconsin. And luckily my relatives have had some experiences as well. So I'm not completely nuts for the total black sheep in the I'm still in the black sheep in the family, but not at least totally nuts because they know. And so I've got team members across the state now, and and we're actually working on some vocalization projects through some of the bf OL guys, Charles Kimberke out of Virginia and my friend Dennischoolcox out of Nebraska. So, and as you and I talked about before we came on the air, it was such a loss to lose standport me, you know, when you talk about Bigfoot vocalizations and sounds. I think for the longest time he had the largest online repositories of audio, maybe of anyone that was a big loss to the sasquadge Field. Absolutely, and I just phoned that. Oh, basically about four days after he passed. Somebody told me, so. Go ahead, Henry, what were you going to say aboud? I was just said it was it was a big loss. Stanon Corney's loss was yeah. You and I had interviewed him, I think a couple of times back when we first started the program, and his collection wasn't quite as extensive back then, but it is it lean it. I don't know if his website is still up. I'll take it stan Courtney dot com for anybody who was interested. If it's still go check it out because it's definitely worth it. He does have some sons there too. So and it's still up. The website is still up for wonder Sorry, Dan, I mean to go off the rail there. No, it's all inclusive. So I don't know what to tell you except that I'm a member of a couple of different groups. Shane Carpenter invited me into his project Ozark sasquatchz Ark Mountains Sasquatch project. You'd been working with Randy Harrington numerous other people, and I joined actually in twenty nineteen. I was just finishing up speaking out of college, put my critters away, hopped in the vehicle and drove down to Arkansas area. And I got there after two o'clock in the morning, and I was greeted and told, well, you drove all that way, you probably want to sleep, right, And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. We're at the time, right. We took a thirty minute walk and Shane and Randy have gone on tons of different podcasts to describe this situation, but we got a peaker within thirty minutes. A while, really one of the juvenile, one of the juveniles ever were Wow Crime in twenty nineteen. We had two youngsters with about a ten to ten and a quarter inch footprint. We had the mother, which we believed them was the mother with a twelve inch footprint, and the father who had they had seen him as well, and he had a fifteen inch footprint. Holy cow. And eventually she had a little one because six inch tracks started to show up. So what's interesting The last photo I sent you Sean with Nebby that was drawn by Sabyla Christine that I believe it's uh, I'm going to butcher the report number. But it's out of Oklahoma and it's I think it's Is it the last sketch you sent me? Yes, sir, And there's some information with it. I remember that it was reported in May fifth, two thousand and eight. And Jerry, I'm going to forget his last name, I wrote it down. And when he was one of the bfro O investigators, he called Sybylla saying, I've got one. Are you ready to draw? And she drew it and he had all of ten to fifteen minutes to look at it from relatively close distance. She did an incredible job on accuracy. I think it's the most important one. And when when we found that peaker back in twenty nineteen, Shane said, I'm going in. Well, I don't know Shane. I didn't know Shane very well at that time. I didn't know Randy at all. Did you guys see that that's not the one though, that's not the one. The other one gota other one? There were two. That's an Oklahoma mail there, that's Alahoma mail. If we get him up, Okay, I get the right one here. This one looks like it says Evan's at the end. Is that that would be from alex Evans. So there was the very last picture I sent you. Okay, hopefully you can find it. And the only problem was I was using both of my profiles, so it might be on the other profile. Yeah, it doesn't, it's not. Let me not sharing it to make all right. Well that's why sorry, folks, technical issues about your best imagination. To find it, go to here's part of the mystery. Go to the bfrro type in Oklahoma, type in nubby and U B B I E. It will come up. And that is Sabyla's illustration of what Cherry Rand saw and described her over the phone. So here we have an illustration done with an active viewer describing the details to her as he's looking at it. We're gonna try this one more time because I think I got it. Another vos. Don Forker has the technology to not screw up constantly wrong. There you go, there you go, oh wow, oh yeah, right, that's crazy. It was a reddish brown, a reddish brown individual. But the one that Shane saw and walked up on, which I'll describe in a second, was black with dark gray skin. Looked almost identical to what Sibylla drew he pointed this out. He looked at numerous illustrations to see which one looked closest. It was this one, and he said that the individual was laying in the grass looking at him. Shane walked up to seven to eight feet from him and shined a light in his eyes, which reflected silver. Going back, it stays totally still obviously, youngster how big somewhere between five and five and a half feet and approximately in Shane's view, about one hundred and fifty pounds, so he wasn't as big as Nobby. He was approximately six feet, but he froze well. Then Shane just kind of walked away from him a little bit and thought, I'm going back again. So what he did and I think he sat And don't quote me on this, but I believe at one point he sat down real close to him, like seven to eight feet and turned his back a little bit. But when he came back the second time, things changed. Now there was like a. Tooth chatter, which is a defense response, and rock was thrown from the brush, which means there was either MoMA or the other sibling. So saying left came back, Brandy and I were concerned about him going to visit that closely because the one, we didn't know what kind of reaction when I get from the the family members. Two, we didn't know how this is going to affect him, whether or not they're going to come into camp or not, which is our goal. We want you in camp to leave every potential sign that you can for us to investigate. Well, it turned out that night they came into camp and their audio picked it up, and two eight foot tables under the tents with all kinds of gear, and the audio picked up them like tapping fingers on the table. And the reason we knew for sure they were there was because there were some hand wipes and one was pulled out with a big finger impression on it. That crazy. That was wonderful. The next day we slept in. Later toward evening, we decided, let's go up the hill and see if we can interact with the mail if he's around. We did and went up. We hung out for four hours approximately nothing and they had had rocked towing contests with them in the past, and their vocalizations, exchanged recordings, made footprints found. She found a handprint on a ledge of the roadside In one situation, nothing we came back Camp Raandy to check the audio. Good news, gentlemen, they were here while we were up the hill. We went to bed, got up in the morning with the audio. They went through all the items on the table, got the medical bag. It was zipped and unzipped about seventeen or eighteen times. Now here's where it's funny. You can also hear the cooler being closed, so automatically checked the cooler missing six monster cappuccinos. Appropriately what wow, I needed to fix? Yeah, right. I got back in twenty for more action, and back in twenty three, and by the time I got back in twenty three, we had a different situation. That little six incher we believe grown. The two ten inches are apparently gone or one of them stayed behind with a fourteen inch print, and now there was another little six incher. In the meantime, there was one ten inch print that was all over and so that had been casting over thirty sometimes for comparison, and. So much of your thoughts on that, Dan, Do you think that you had the same kind of family group there? Do you think they stay, do you think they range? What's your thoughts on home? The male stayed, but he didn't stay with the family a lot. He seemed to be running the ridges, and other people were this behavior to me as well. So typically what you get his mom, and you get some big teenage sons and the younger ones, and so you have siblings kind of working together. Allegedly, that's what the tracks suggested. Our tracks in twenty twenty three were the ten and a quarter inch. Then we had six inch, and then we had the big mail by this time was sixteen inches, and then we had a fourteen inch mom. Now I don't whether the twelve inch had turned into the fourteen or one of the ten inches turned into the fourteen. I don't know. It was presumed it was the twelve inch to the fourteen, but again do we know that for sure. It's really interesting because Shane had another property where there was behavior, and he went over and investigate that. He also found more ten inch prints over there was a little bit older. Now, I just got through work, came with a buddy of mine from North Florida and he had some small juvenile prints, and so this has become a thing for me. In the last year. I'm trying to acquire as many alleged or potential sasquatch footprints as I can from every in each individual who can photograph them sharply. Unfortunately, most people don't record their measurements with a tape measure, which I'm sure everybody did. Unfortunately, people typically use their foot If we could use a dollar bill or universal sized item, that would help tremendously. Also, people forget to measure the distance between the foot strikes, so we need strides, and we also need you know, obviously the length and the width of the foot. But then we're also looking at trying to differentiate individuals. For example, I just I've just been a new gale in Ohio and I've got three individual footprints from her. And a friend of mine in Texas found trance on a private property in a county that was surrounded by BFI reports BFI row reports, but there weren't any there. My friend Robin lind Griffith has got different photographs from there. Unfortunately some of them had been tape measured. So the problem is we like to get all the different individuals in the group, and that takes precise photography and some patients and some work, and most people don't seem to have the capacity to do that right, you know, which is potentially problematic, but we're so thrilled by the beauty of the photographs. And of course, one of the comments that doctor Jeff Mildram made to Stan Courtney was, please remember is extremely difficult to determine the differentfference between juvenile's asquatch footprints and humans. Now, with that understandable, just to imagine, just imagine the implications that as on potential genetics and relationships regarding them and us. You know, then we get into okay, if any of these witness descriptions are reasonably accurate, and Sibyla and alex Alexa Evans and so many other people have done some incredible likenesses bringing the description to life. Just imagine the differences some of these portray. She had one over nine feet that looked like a wounded gorilla in Illinois. She had another gorilla type looking one on a yellowstone. She had another group of gorilla looking ones in other states, notably Texas. Yet there are some that look uh. Dan Baker's a good friend of mine, aut of Ohio. He stated to me they had Neanderthal faces. His wife someone We've got descriptions from Fred rail up in Alaska neanderthal faces, a few Native American looking faces, but primarily Neanderthal looking faces, just the big amy brow ridge and a primitive type of homon hominid type fossil man type look. Then, what are your thoughts on that, Dan? Do you think that we have a regional variation or do you think we have different types of big flood? I have different I have to grin because to me, again, if there, if there's accuracy, and these witness reclamations that Sibylla and Alexa and numerous other artists are doing, then it sure looks to me as though we've got even possibly different uh giant air covered unverified bipeds that may represent two different families. Right, we may have the human line, and numerous artists have depicted you want the ape look or do you want the human look? And that's been going on for ever since I've been doing this. Now, it's interesting because pre internet reports tended to be more ape like, right, And I remember now that not everybody swallows the The fellow that John Green interviewed that was captured for you, his name at the moment, Albert Ausman, Thank you, Albert Ousman. Sorry, not the Albert had intriguing descriptions of things before a lot of it became commonplace, and that intrigued the heck out of John Green. Now the problem there is he went on to describe all human they were, but then when he did the illustration, it looked very very Yeah, so we're caught in the crossroads of what they look like. And of course, if you have ten different observers looking at the same individual, given late distance, fear, individual variation, and opinion, half of them may say every man. Half of them may say gorilla. I mean people literally aggressive telling me they're gorillas. I saw them? What is it? But is it our projection that does that? You know? Is it our minds putting those pieces together? That's another part of that right now, these are the questions. That's another reason. The footprints are something we can measure and learn from. But we have to do a better job of the interpretation of them and the you know, making sure that we're studying them properly, and also cinding out the post story where these prints came from, who got them, when they got them, all those things. David Ziegan is a forensic scientists over an Atlanta that I'll be working with in the future. One of my goals here is to take these images that I get from people, and it's starting to add up. Now. I've got numerous Texas researchers who've all agreed to just literally hand me their stuff. I've got friends in Oklahoma, Oregon, Washington, Ohio, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, and I'll be working with everybody trying to bring their images in change their A lot of them are JPEX. We want them into TIFFs because then you can manipulate them and not lose resolution over time. A lot of people want to wear that. Well. Once I've tipped them, then I can bring them up on my screen. I can rephotograph them in such a way that I can blow them up to a barn wall. So there was a six by eight foot size and now all of a sudden, we can have large potential artifacts, possible toe breaks, injuries, things of that nature that will help possibly identify the individuals that made those prints and over time hopefully be identifiable so that we can see growth patterns and things like that. This is in the early stages, but my plan is to have a site with all these photographs and make them available all the contributors and to start getting people to photograph them rigorously with lengths, with in the proper procedures so that people like David Zigan can dive into it and have a much easier goal of interpretation and study regarding the SI CSI factor. You know, James, you had a question before, right, let you out there, go ahead and answer, and then we'll go around the room. So do you always had a theory that like her? I'm sorry the end, Henry, are you talking here? Sorry? We've always had the question of and we've had a few times, is that do you think pop culture affects the sightings? Because we've noticed that as like I'll use movies like Harry and Henderson because it's the most easiest one to remember. I noticed that. When once that movie came out, a lot of the pictures of the cryptid far more to that picture than they did before. Oh. I would say, yeah, especially with the general the general population reaction, you know, because I mean, how much do we know? Everybody you talk to will give you a different answer. And we're still in the learning stages as far as I'm concerned, and we have so many people that are well versed with certain aspects of this. We can't slam those experiences from Alabama and wide continent wide, all the way to Alaska. I was just in conversation with a gal out of Mexico. Finally, I've got somebody from Mexico who's real interested in this, and she's gonna dig for me. So we can do some work in Yucatan and some of the crazy states that pronounced down there, and these mountains areas apparently still have activity. What do they look like? What is their individual variation? Do their teenagers look like ours when they grow up? Some of them achieve defensive tackle status immediately. Others look like wide ranging wide receivers and cornerbacks and long slender basketball players. And we get that in adult sasquats. It's two from time to time. Of course, we're also dealing with aging. Brian king Sharp and his book as an illustration of one that looks like it has a stroke. One of the BFI reports out and I for sifing northwest somewhere somebody saw one hanging out by a chicken farm. Ok. Older, old, old, old male with atrification, very slender, possibly near death. You know, So how is that can affect the feet, the footprints, how's that can affect the physicality. Uh. I've got one of my groups is the White biped Project, and I've kind of let it go just generally over the few years. But now I'm starting to go to different states and ask what have you got for white sasquatch reports, blonde sasquatch reports, silver sasquatch reports. So far, I got two reports of juveniles that were white, one that grew up and continued to be white, another that well it was white, one that was seen, you know. And then we have white ones with peakish eyes, which could be albino's. We have white ones with black eyes, which could be lucistic. We've got blondes, We've got probably white haired ones like myself or used to be solid black. People thought I was Hispanic. I'm not. I'm Norwegian. However, uh here turned white. And then I've got nervous and lost some So okay, but it's just important to keep this stuff fun because there's aggressive, nervous people that we maybe we just have to have fun, work together, share more, learn more. Right and to your credit, Dan, you're doing it. You know you are out there, You're bringing people together in these groups, you've got information being shared. You know, again, you and I have talked for years, decades because hey, now the final we can use that term right, And that's one of the things I've alway appreciated your ability to your transverse groups. And as you and I have talked about whether we have our own beliefs of what we think this is, but it's come to coffing turkey, you know, for the most part, able to put that down and be able to pull information from everyone. You've exceeded in that, and I know I'm always happy to see when something else is posted, and if something goes for a while without talking, you're the first put on there to bring the conversation back and start. Getting it pumping again. You know, tryan yeah while you're succeeding in it, and I think you should be recognized for that. You know, you're talking about Mexico. When's the last time we've heard anybody talking about Mexican sasplot sightings? Because I'm sitting here in my own mind going when the hell did we When have we even talked about that last? And why have we not talked about it? Very few times we talk about South American sightings right, but very very rarely do we talk about Central America sightings. Uh, Canada gets a lot of love. But you know, I think you're you're tapping into something of the potential. Plus the weather's better. So if you need some assistance, let Matt and I know we'll dust off passports. And you know, if things work out, those Mexican situations just might happen. So I'm interested. I've never been interested. I've been. I've been. I've been to New Mexico, I've been to Texas, I've been to Arizona. I've been so many hundred yards from the border, on the on the roads I shouldn't be on. But i just haven't crossed the border yet. But I'm hoping to do that. Trained to Maine in Vermont, New Hampshire this fall for autumn photography and networking with some of the witnesses up there. Well, if you have to pass through Pa, let us know we'll stop and have one. Well. And by the way, one of my one of my host guys from Ohio was Stacy Husteler. He's like a brother. Oh yes, say oh yeah, And uh, I've. Got numerous other humans down there too that I'm working with and that's going to flow over. I just haven't hit Pennsylvania too much yet, but i'd like to. And the year that I met you, actually the second time at b Mills's Festival, I got to hook up with Eric and so we had some ask box. So I'm looking forward to I'm very envious that you guys get to work with Stan Gordon so well. I'm stand you can't get enough of Stan Gordon, and I bring the worst out in stand by the way I get him to say things you never expect come. Out of the mouth as being boy. I'm very proud of that. I really am. The way I can see the comedy here. Yeah, you're humor and that's what to me, that's what it takes because if we're happy, we're gonna assure more information and be more motivated. If we're all pissed off in the corner drinkers and uh, you know, doing things we shouldn't, then there's this isn't gonna be as much stuff. Done, right, I said, Look, you know, like you said, the comedy brings people together. The humor, you know, when we're all having a good time, everybody wants for together. Yeah, there's appropriate times to be pissed. There really is. But at the same time, as we start working through through all this like it, it's incredibly important that we do recognize the humanity behind it. And now you talk about Standboard and even though I just a lot, just a wealth of knowledge, and you know, stands very on the paranmormal aspect, he fully believes his things an interdimensional preacher. Sure I don't, but that doesn't mean I'm right. That doesn't mean I don't love. Stan and I don't approiate the research he's done or the work that he's done because his work has taken him somewhere else that my work has taken me. And who the hell am I to invalidates Danglode's work. You know, he's put the boots on the ground. He's done this longer than I've been even a twinkle in my granddaddy's beer. You know, those are the things that you got to look at. It doesn't mean we. Can't get along, right, Like, if there's a respect thing there, and if we're all sharing parts of the puzzle one day, you know, I'm sure it'll all pull through or we've all been crazy. I mean, that's the other. Yeah, Yeah, Well, the thing is like with the paranormal aspect. To me, it's just like an determined science. What is our science going to develop into as we learn more. When I was growing up, hypnotherapy and hypnotism was not accepted by everybody, would not in two thousand and two, was not accepted by everybody. I was getting parallel behavior schemes written up for me by property owners in Virginia, Tennessee, Indiana, and so I was starting to see behavioral patterns that I felt like I could rely on. So I could actually tell the witness, you won't be hurt, you don't have to be afraid. Let's try this, let's try that, and whether it's a signature whistle to get them to pick up on so so all of a sudden you're whistling back and forth, or you know, most people get excited about offering treats, but these guys, a lot of them are garbage can dumpster divers, and so they're getting all kinds of protein, garbage and sweets and stuff like that. If we do this with some common sense and we're patient and we work together, I just think we can get further. Yeah, that's a good night. Folks. Not I'm kidding you, guys. Thank you very much. No, that's it, and I mean, I mean that's perfect points made, guys, be or I take too much more of our time to night. Matt Van Henry, any questions for Dan, because Dan and I can yack all night. But what do you go? I do have a question, probably within the last four minutes, you're speaking about a lot of these sightings in UH Southern United States, Texas, Mexico, et cetera. Has there been any casted footprints that you are aware of in Mexico. Yes, right, I don't have that information. Now, that's fine. I was just curious to know if there were any casted footprints, whether it was plaster of Paris or otherwise, in these areas. I want to connect with you guys long term, and so anything I scare up and come up with, I'll be glad to send you. Oh, we greatly appreciate it. The correspondence with this scale from Mexico. My plan is I started out with her. We did myself and another fellow wonderful guy worked I worked with. We did every country in Central America, we did every state in Mexico, and we listed all the reptiles and amphibians at these locations, in addition to all the states and territories in the United States and Canada. Now that's going to get me correspondence with repetologists. These guys should know, mammalogists, primate specialists of the people in science at these universities down there, and that I'm hoping that I can find some people are They're rigorous in scaring up locals who have claims and so this book hasn't been opened yet, but it's on the plan cheap and I'm hoping to really really dig deep into Mexico and see what we can come up with. Think that's awesome. I think we'll be surprised. That's awesome. Thank you. Oh do you think and I'm not trying to be political, but do you think due to the current border, you know, situation, that we would get more sightings because there'd be more boots on the ground, or do you think those sightings would be more of a you know, between Mexico and the United States, they would be more hushed up. I think a lot of things are really hushed up. I really do. And in speaking with people who are employed and I was employed by the State of Wisconsin Department Natural Resources. I've got friends that have worked with Department National Resources in Michigan, Iowa, numerous other states, and I know that people are working privately behind the scenes in certain areas where there's potential h evidence talking nest beds, talking footprints, talking other things where people have come in and destroyed the location. Yeah. Right, I've seen that happen in Michigan, that happened in Florida, and speaking with some of the guys at Yellowstone of one of the rangers told me he had two sasquatch incidences there and then some suspect once, but nothing was ever said between him and the brass your office. So most of what happens is when there's an alleged potential sasquatch report, the area gets fenced off. In his case, he had a foreign visitor call. He took the call, and this was like in the early maybe around two thousand and eight something like that. Basically what happened was she said, I have questions about grizzly bears. Okay, are are they typically yellowish or tannish color? No, not typically what they could be? Do they typically walk around on two legs? Car, big big bundles of grass. Yeah right, wow, they don't. She got interesting. Personally, got angry, thought he was calling her a liar. He happened to casually mention it to the brass behind the desk, and within two days that whole area was roped off. In another incident, they had trophy hunters protection some of the guys rangers that would ride at night concerned about the big trophy bull elk being taken out. So these guys were kind of there to help to discourage poachers. A poacher right right, right, These. Guys got terrified by vocalizations, trees being pushed down on the roads, and just things thrown at them, you know, whether branches, land, pine cones or whatever, more like rocks. Because I'm just like, oh my god. We're in trouble. Somebody's throwing pine cones. Doesn't resonate very you know, dominantly so. But anyway, that area got fenced off as well. And then I've got another friend that interviewed a ranger over at Glacier National Park and it was a senior ranger and he just pulled the guy aside and he said, look, we have sasquatches here park. Knows we're not saying anything right. Conversation never happened, right. A friend of mine that I visited in Georgia in two thousand and eight, first time, I finally got a signature footprint and numerous trails and other suspect things, and eventually Vocalizations sent parabolic equipment to her. Nationally, individuals come up on the porch and pulled the pulled the mic right out of the parabolic dish and left to hanging by the wire. And that was quite an evening. But anyway, long story, that was a It was great too because it was one of the females and she had thirteen and seven eighths in footprint because she stepped in a tarp. It just it just ran and so there was water in the tarp and she stepped on it. And my friend was able to determine that determined she went climbed the stairs down, found the footprints and it was quite fantastic. Anyway, her her boss, uh, the father of her boss, worked for the four Street apartment. He was told, if you see a sasquatch, if you find the nest bed, destroy it. Don't tell anybody what anything. Don't tell anybody. Oh, to destroy it. Wow. Yeah, Wow. I think there's different policies and different John my aunt Zinski, I can't pronounce it, but he's a good buddy of doctors more and he was all basically he worked on game animals in Wyoming and he was the fellow who's got a podcast out there talking about where he's in the tent, and he got it was bacon stained, and he was convinced a grizzly bear was on the outside of the tent turned out to be a sasquatch was down, and he slammed it thinking it was the bear's nose. Nearly broke his hand because of that. When he went on to talk about the policies in the threats that he got. If he were to ever bring up sasquatch subject matter in the university system or the wildlife system, what do you mind? I went to college with ended up crazy in charge of all the predators that would cause problems with wildlife or excuse me, problems with livestock, so livestock depredation. So so John was in charge official wildlife Department of National Resource and also uh athos And I'm like, I'm go any further with him because I don't. I know he wouldn't appreciate his name associated on the air publicly. But I sent a what I believe was the juvenile sasquatch footprint to him, and normally he would respond in an hour. He didn't respond for two days, and when he did he goes ned Ah, this is the strangest most abart has to be juvenile black bear print I've ever seen. Wow. That's where we go with that, and that's that that that system we have, our belief system kind of dictates what we accept as possible. And we all know people who, under no circumstances will they ever look at evidence, to listen to evidence or think about possibility. Even though a juvenile bear, whether it's black or grizzly, whichever, it's gonna have claw prints in there. And if there's no claw prints, how are you gonna justify that? Well, let's just say that the big toe was like ours. Yeah, black grizz print. They're all pretty years, right, Usually the biggest toes in the middle. Yep, guys, we've run out of time this hour, Matt Henry, any final questions you have before we fly off the air. I just want to give a big thank you for you showing up tonight and sharing these, you know, stories that you had to share with us. That was greatly appreciated, heartfelt. Well, thank you, thank you. I feel like we just we just got started and. Yeah, scratch just the surface, didn't we Well, there's definitely definitely needs to be a part two. Yeah, go ahead, Henry, what were you gonna say, Bud No, I was just gonna say. I appreciate him coming on as well. He really great. Guessed, Yeah, absolutely, Matt will try you this time again, and then there was silence. Well he's talking, but I can't. I'm not good at reading lips. So we don't have your buddy. Sorry we lost Matt, but definitely need to get you on for a part too. Dan the surface, Yes, we do the surface. You've been watching work before, I guess before we go, Dan, where can folks find you? Uh? Dana Nidrolo is my number one profile on the air, you know, on on Facebook. Uh, if you google me, it's like a website. I've been doing this a while, so it's very crazy. I've had three sightings. I had the two too. Maybe the same individual down the Ozarks, whether Randy Herrington Shane Carpenter with those are mountain Sasquatch. I've also worked with. I have another group out in Idaho that I'm involved with, and we'll be much much more in their future. And that is a legacy discovery. And we have juveniles interacting with a family of folks there. It would be uh, Angelique Benham and her son Mitchell Wiley, and these folks are documenting incredible things there. And I've had some personal experiences as well. By the way, I've had some experiences that I can't explain and don't understand. I'm all that science work it out down the road. Well, this is why we're going to have a part two. Yeah, definitely, we're gonna have to book this sooner rather than later. After you invested, or after you talk with a thousand plus people. Patterns of rise, interesting facts see which are obviously not facts but seem to become facts because parallel repeated behavior pattern or physical character or other things. And I think the over well, I'll just leave you with this. The most overwhelming aspect of the study for me is the fact that we have an unverified giant primitive that can take on the look of a giant grade ape or a giant airyman that has exhibited behavior from all aspects, from gentleness to scaring the living crap out of the armed personnel. And I just love the fact that there are generations of people's in the hollows in the south and the north, and in the mountains and in the swamps that know. Oh, those the airy people are fine. Just leave them alone. We'll leave they'll leave us. They've been there forever. They're pick in the windows. Once in a while. There's a little black one that kicks a dog. And that was told to my grandmother who was eighty some years old, who talked to me unimaker before I did, back in the day, and sir, she would get to meet my witnesses and talk with them and then hand the phone over and go, we think we've got it solved, but you might want to put your two cents soon on it. So that's the SoundBite for the show right there, folks. I'm Sean Forker. That's Dan Dedrello. He's been our guest tonight dance and has that Matt Arnoer, James Baker off, Henry May Henry take us out with those dulcet tones. Maybe y'all be good begging at there you go, folks, keep on squatching. Good night, everybody. Thanks for listening. You've been listening to The Sasquatch Experience. Please rate and review wherever this podcast is consumed. For more information, please go to our website squatch Experience dot com. M keep on squatching, mm hm