Mike Familant, In the Shadow of Big Red Eye

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The search never stopped. Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience. Hello, get somebody out here, folks, I'm Sean Parker. That's Matt Arner. Henry may dropped off, he'll be back on, and our guest tonight, Mike. Mike, I always butcher your last name, buddy. I don't want to do it familant, all right, See, I want to add a little extra Jois viore on there and get it fancied up. So Mike, thanks for clarifying that again for it. So folks, bear with folks, bear with us tonight. With some technical difficulties. As you could see, we got a little time lag. Henry is back, Matt is back, some of the clan here vances off tonight, Baker's off the night. We wish them well in their individual pursuits of justice, happiness, and exaltation of peptobismal. So it's been a long weekend for Matt and I as we have just gotten back from the top secret project. We can't really too out too much. But it was a lot of fun, was it not, Matt? We had a blast, and can you hear me? Okay, okay, yeah, we had an absolutely great time. Our hosts were absolutely amazing, and yeah, I really don't want to say too much, so just keep tuned to STM at the end of the. Right. I mean it's going to be for every folks like it through this exciting journey. If you want to send us hate mail, send it all to Henry. He reads it. The rest of us don't care, and Henry likes to use it, to print it out, to use it as waper, So go ahead and send it and send it all to him. Mike, welcome to the program tonight. And normally I take a little bit of extra time to go through a long artist process of introductions. But I'm having some difficulties. So tell us about yourself and how the heck you got started in bigfoot. Yeah, absolutely so, Mike Famelot, I'm thirty six. I come from the armpit of Pennsylvania in New York, in northwestern New Jersey. Started. I used to be a firefighter and EMT don't do that anymore. Did that for twelve years, got burnt out. So then I decided, well, what am I going to do? EMC and firefighting? So I was like, I'm into big footing. Let me make a big foot show, but let me digress. I jumped ahead. It all started back in twenty eleven. Most I think most of you had probably heard my story, so I'll just kind of go over it real quick. I was working at a beach resort in Florida and I was watching Finding Bigfoot and they were like, hey, if you want to come out with a team, you can. I was like, holy crap, yes, you know, so I'm going to do that. So I got two tickets. Ended up being me and one of my good buddies, Jimmy. We went up to North Florida and Terrace State Park in Florida, and we ended up getting four facized rocks thrown at us, and then my buddy who was with through a rock band at it. And at that point, about three seconds later, a fifteen pound laptop sized boulder came crashing down and landed five feet away from us. So that was our wold first little experience of Bigfoot. Nothing else happened that night. But the interesting thing is the next day, we wanted to be all scientific, so we were like, Okay, what's the closest this thing could have been to us? And the closest this thing could have been was like seventy five yards away, so I mean outside of human range. So it kind of opened my eyes to be like, oh man, something is possibly well something is in the woods, and I'm gonna try to figure out what it is. Well, that's one big rock to have chucked at you, a laptop size boulder. That's that's no fun. I've had little rocks thrown at me, about a softball sized rock, but I've not had one a boulder thrown at me before. So I got you convinced that there's something to this, something to this mystery. Did you grow up around at Scott Were there any early early influences like a particular book or particular TV show that got you got you the it? No, not at all. I was actually a very indoor child growing up. Like put me in front of like a movie with a video game, or like a screen with a video game or a movie or anything like that, and I am like good to go for the day. So actually, this, this this camping trip where we had the rocks thrown at us, was the first time that I was ever like really legitimately in the woods, first time ever camping, first time ever you know, doing that. So, you know, needless to say, it was a little unsettling to have the first camp time in the woods have these rocks come at me. Oh, I think you're muted there. I am. I was trying to kick it over to you. Matt. I was saying, rocks, those are no fun. I agree, and yeah, here we go. And uh, it's funny because there's another New Jersey researcher, New Jersey, New York researcher, and him and I have been out on a outing and we had rock soranas and he said, hey, maybe we should throw the rocks back and I said, I said, listen. I said, if whatever's out there could throw the rock with such force and with such speed and such uh you know, you know, such a bullseye shot, you know, me just chucking a rock in the woods, is it going to do it? And so I'll probably start a war there. And I really don't want to get into a rock throwing contest with Bigfoot. Yes, big put rock wars. So what really I don't want to jump too much into it. But uh, Mike, with your brand, you know, is the shadow of the red Eye. Can you explain what the red eye is and how that ties into your everything that you do for the reaction? No, that's absolutely true. So every kind of geographical region in the country has their own little story a big f at the Skunk Ape in Florida, of the Grassman in Ohio, all that, you know, that good stuff. So back in nineteen seventy two, a state park ranger in New Jersey's High Point State Park, which is in where I am in the northwest corner, was doing a night patrol. And during his night patrol he was I guess walking around the woods or driving around the woods or something like that, he saw two pairs of reflecting red eyes and he at the end of his shift he wrote that in his shift report, and somehow it got leaked I guess one of his fellow officers leaked it to the newspaper or something like that, and the next morning front page of the Star Ledger, Sussex County's Bigfoot, Big Red Eye was born. So that's our little local claim to fame for Bigfoot. And why I name the show in the Shadow of Big Red Eye, because it just seems like we are always just just right behind finding finding that key piece of evidence. We're always in the shadow, We're always right behind him. And with you being New Jersey based, but I do see that you do travel quite a bit. Oh yeah, where where is your favorite place to do research? You're asking me that's like asking a fisherman, where's where the honey hole is? I mean, you know, all right, fair Whitehall, New York. And I'll say I'll say that, I'll say that with with with by saying that, you know, we go up there every year they have the white Hall Festival up there, and we do research while we're up there. Obviously we're not going up this year, unfortunately, but every year we do research. And we went up a couple of years ago, and I swear there's audio of it. We got surrounded by bigfoot. We were getting a tree knocked, we were getting rocks thrown at us. We had lights, we had the thermals, and we could not see anything. It was just too they were too far away, you know, you know how it is like when you're out in the field you can't see something. It's just a little too far away. They were throwing rocks. You could hear the rocks in the audio recording, like being what like like thrown over our heads and hitting trees behind us. Like that's how like intense it was. It lasted six minutes before we evacuated the area and got out of there, and what was cool. In the next day we went back because we were, you know, looking for some physical evidence of what could possibly have done that, and we found a tree break but it was not there the day prior. And this was like a legitimate sized tree. It wasn't. It wasn't like, you know, there was no weather pattern that came through that could have caused that. So it was I mean, it was very very intriguing. It maybe made us feel like, Okay, we're entering upon this, like I think bigfoot lives in like a family group scenario, so I think we were like a little too close to this family group a bigfoot and they were trying to truck junk rocks at us and hit trees and and want, you know, trying to get us out of the area. And it absolutely worked. That's interesting. Yeah, And it's and I will say Whitehall is just because it seems to be the most productive area consistently that I've been to. Yeah, and to give the listeners and the viewers a little bit of perspective, you're in Sussex County right now, and explain how far Whitehall is and can something come from the Whitehall area down to Sussex County, New Jersey basically without being seen. Yeah, I mean so Whitehall is a drive is probably about three and a half hours from here. I don't think bigfoots range is that large. I mean we're talking hundreds and hundreds of miles. I don't think if maybe maybe an adult male sas squatch you know, may may travel distances like that, and we know other animals do, so that's not out of the question. I think they mostly stay in like they're kind of like family groups, and I think they they move with the food, So I don't think they would need to move as far as down. Here would be. I think their food source would be available closer to them, so there would be no reason for travel that distance. That is a great area up there, right between those mountains up there or Whitehall. It is a fascinating area. But leading it down to New Jersey. Tell us, now we know what the origin of the red eye came from, but can you tell us about some recent reports that you've collected in especially in the Sussex County area, because that that is I've been there. That is a hot spot. Oh yeah, yeah, what's so? What's cool about it is we over the a couple of months ago. Over the summer we uh each year we set up at the New Jersey State Fair and Farm and Horse Show and we set up a booth. We have a big vending table. It's like what we do. We sell stuff and all that stuff. But what's super cool about it is not only do we did we make a kill and selling a lot of stuff, we took in about half the number of big foot reports that have that have we already have on record for Sussex County. So we have seventy one current big foot sightings in Sussex County, New Jersey, which is one that presents the highest number east of them Ssissippi. So that's great. It's cool. If you go onto my website at shadow of Redeye dot com, scroll all the way to the bottom of the page, you can click on the map and you can click each individual pin which is a sighting, and you could read the sighting that was reported to us. So it's kind of cool, nice little Sussa's county database that we have. But going back to what I was saying, when we were set up at the fair, we got forty one new reports of bigfoot and these are reports that people have never told anybody before. They've come up and they say, hey, I just saw your booth and thirty years ago I saw bigfoot on Layton Road. And it's like, ah, that is so cool, because that's like a report that I've got today, a bigfoot on Layton Road in the seventies. You know, it's the coolest thing. Mike. Why do you think that is? Why do you think folks are so willing to come to you and talk to you about all these sightings. I think it's it's because, uh, I give, it's the opportunity is there for them to speak about it. They've never had this opportunity, and this this this able, this this ability to release and and share their stories because you know, the fear of getting ridiculed or laughed at or or anything of the general public is just going to be like that's kind of a little bit crazy, right, And I think I don't know about you guys, but I know when I first got into big foot field research, I kind of hit it from everybody because I was a little like, Okay, this is this is a little kind of a little off the wall, you know. So and then and finally I was just like, I like this too much. I'm just gonna you know, I'm gonna roll with it. But yeah, no, it's it's the ability I used to have. I don't know if anybody's familiar. I used to have a Subaru. It was all decked out in like Bigfoot research on the sides of mobile command center. And unfortunately she died a couple months ago. I know. Yeah, so uh it was either that or fix it or for eighteen thousand dollars or get a new car. So I said, well, I'm going to get a new car. So but that that car was great because at at like the gas stations or whatever, I'll be gassing up and it without fail. Every I don't know a. Month or so, somebody would come up to me and say, hey, I've never told anybody this before, but this is when I saw the Bigfoot. Well there we go, all right, might go okay, yeah, yeah. We're good. So it's it's so cool. It's just you know, and unfortunately now I don't have the car, so that kind of takes away from that. It is nice going low profile and on the DL for a little bit, though. It's kind of nice. Absolutely, I feel that, you know, it was funny because it's not something I really considered before being that low profile about it. But we had a really particular witness who did not want us coming there with any T shirts, anything on our vehicle that indicated that we were part of anything Bigfoot related because they were part of a hunting cabin. And you know, we talk about this in our upcoming project, but the part of where we live and maybe even part of where you're at, it's kind of conservative and hunting and fishing is a way of life, and you know you're part of one of those hunting cabins, and all of a sudden you start talking about being a bigfoot researcher. The next thing you know, you're out of the hunting lease and you're not going to find another one that's going to take you in. And that's hard to reconcile with. So as much as with you, I'd like to be loud and proud and have my vehicle all decked out. One my wife would never allow it. And two two I think you know some witnesses would still want that little bit of I guess anonymity from you know, their public and public go ahead. Matt, were you going to say somebody. No, I was just kind of going in the same way. There's witnesses that, uh, you know, if they do see this, you know, the stickers on the car, they they'll they'll easily come up to you. But I know with us again, a lot of it, you know, we do. I think it's more for our area that we do get the people that, hey, we you know, can just come up and don't wear a big foot T shirt, don't don't have anything on like that. Just we're just gonna say you're you're hunters or something like that, just checking out the area, and that's how we get a lot of reports. But but having those uh you know, having having the sign on the on the truck or you know, having anything like that to show. I can't tell you how many times people have come up to me I'm wearing an an ABC shirt and hey, uh do you believe in that? You know? And then next thing, you know, we get into a conversation and and it works out great. So uh you know, hopefully get your Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely so. I have another question I was going to ask. I was gonna say for later, but I'm gonna gonna ask you right now. We have a good friend of ours. Uh, she's a listener to the program. Kimberly Crodoc. She lives over in Wing County, right outside of Holly, and she wanted to know. She wants to know on the Pennsylvania side, right Crystal Sussex County. Have there have you taken any reports? Uh? Yeah, I know county is a is a hot spot. But yeah, Pike Wing. So we're talking Aboutlake wan paul Pack, Holly area, Yes, all the way up to the border. Yeah. The road so again, honey hoole fishing thing. Uh. The gas line that runs through there. I believe it runs through I know, well, it runs through New Jersey through high Point. I've had That's where I've gotten some of the best activity that I've ever I've ever captured. And that gas line runs into Pennsylvania and rolls. I believe it's through through Haley. I know it's state Gamelands one sixteen. We just did an investigation over there, and that's a hot spot that's got that's got power lines, gas lines, I mean, you name it, it's got it there, Lakes River Stream, I mean, it's really cool. And then even just the just in general, the Delaware state forest is. I mean it's a sprawling I mean there's there's just tracks and tracks and tracks of different different pieces of land. You can go camping on there, you can go squatching on there. I mean, it's it's great. So if you're looking to get out in northwestern northeastern Pennsylvania, like Delaware State, for is definitely the place to go. Yeah. Yeah, And again she came out to us at one of our one of our events, and she really wants us to to check that out. But looking for reporters, not that many reports on the BFRO website. But I kept saying, this is perfect habitat there, and I know I've been. I did an investigation up at high Point and we went down to the we went down to the river, and honestly, the river at that point there there's a couple of deep holes, but you can if you're seven eight feet tall, you can wait across that river, no problem. Bears swim across that river daily, So I'm sure that there's there's they could cross that river. There's not a question in my mind that they don't cross that Delaware River. There's no there's no there's no geographical blockage there by any means. Correct correct and and again high Point. Uh that really just between and the pine lands have been just a fantastic uh up, we're back that and the pinelands have been a fantastic habitat. And and again high Point. We had a hewl at four o'clock in the morning that I mean, you can hear the coyotes, but then when you heard this one, this was no coyote and you can feel the sound going through your chest. And that guy was a pretty far distance, but definitely definitely not a coyote. But have you had any you mentioned about the incident that you had, the encounter that you had. Have you had any other encounters that you want to talk about or that you may have experienced. Yeah, so we can. We'll roll with the high Point because we were just talking about high Point. I also have recorded me and my team have recorded one of the best nations that we've ever captured from high Point, and it's exactly the same thing that you're describing. It was late at night, maybe one o'clock in the morning, and I did a bard alt call and we got that, We got back a series of three howls and it was clear as day. I mean, five of us recorded it and then the coyotes went wild after that, so I mean clear difference you could night in day, so that was really cool. We've also found a footprint from up in High Point State Park which is really cool in the snow, which was awesome. I couldn't cast it unfortunately because it's just not castable. And then but the second, the second thing that really got me in a big foot was was again down in Florida and we were. So this is about like so okay. So after we got the rocks thrown we left that expedition, we were like, okay, we're going to figure out what is throwing these rocks at us, right, So we started researching all the witnesses, the researchers, the hotspots, watching all the shows on TV, you know, and in about a three week timeframe we decided that we are now professionals. So bring in Cold Creek State Park, which is in central Florida. We were there for one night. It was me and my buddy Jimmy again and we go for a night hike. Jimmy's not scared at all. He's got his six foot tall machete and it's ten million loomen spotlight, you know that he's not shining around. So anyways, we get down. To about a mile and a half from camp and all of a sudden, Jimmy's spotlight comes across two pairs of reflecting eyes. All right, one pair is like fire engine red cool, the other pair aqua blue. So that's kind of wow, yeah, interesting. So anyways, we thought it was people. We didn't realize that people don't have eyeshine. We were so new to this whole bigfoot thing and being in the woods. We were like, oh, it's just people yelling out to the thing. Hey, we're just looking for bigfoot, you know. And no answer. Then the red set turned and looked at the blue set turned and looked back at us and then blinked. And that was another nope moment in our lives. I mean, out there, real quick, you know, Jimmy put a notch in the tree with his machete. So when we went back the next day to do a recreation, we could see that the eyes were about like they were seven and a half feet tall and about two feet apart from each other. So, I mean, you know, and my rolling theory on that is, let's that was two owls of different species sitting on a branch that didn't exist there. That's the only thing I could come up with or to Yep, so that was kind of cool. Those are two really other very intriguing experiences that I've had that's happened to me along my journey so far. Sure. And so with you doing the the programs throughout the country, are you also going to think reports from when you go out to say the Tennessee, Florida and you know, basically you're all over the east comers. Yeah, yeah, Maine to Florida. Yeah. And what's cool by doing these presentations for those that don't know my main I do. This full time. Bigfoot research is my full time occupation, and I go around during the day to libraries and that funds my way to film my show and camp across the country at night. He gets out there, folks, he's out there. Yeah. Yeah. I spent one hundred and thirty nine nights just last year alone ten camping, so yeah, so I am not hard to find. But yeah, what's cool about the libraries is the fact that we were actually talking a little bit before the show. You get to meet these people and one it's the libraries like it because it's it's it's it's people that don't come out to the libraries normally, so it's a new face for them. Uh, and it's it's it's you know, people that want to share, that may have have shared, have have seen a bigfoot and just want to share their encounter. And Uh. At the at the beginning of the program, I always ask, has anybody ever seen a big foot? And you know, nobody raises their hand. But what's cool at the end of the program, after after making friends with these people and after getting to know them and them getting to know me, people will open up and finally share their stories and be like, you know what, I actually did see a big foot. I can't tell you how many times that happens. And that's cool. You know, it's cool. It makes you wonder, makes you wonder how many people have seen a bigfoot and not reported it. We say the same thing, right, yeah, absolutely, yep, that's a question. That a question. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to step on you. I'm delayed, guys, I apologize. Oh muted, I think we're muted. No, you're good on our end, Henry, did your microphone crap out on you? I wouldn't a surprise. That's the flavor of the night. We get a good we get a good guest, and the I'm on Tylor' backup right now, so I apologize. Henry is still there. To Henry, I think he's there. I just don't think he's Is he doing? Is he doing like a mime thing? That's pretty good, Henry. Hold on to that thought, Matt, go ahead or Mike, you guys would go ahead, and as soon as we can get Henry back, we can get him. And asked the question, so. Out of those areas, uh, what do you think about the Tennessee area, because I do see that you do spend a lot of time down. There as well, Matt second love. Yeah, Tennessee, Tennessee is really cool. Put me in the Smoky Mountains on him, you know, on a trail, and I am just in heaven. I mean, that's that's it's one of my it's one of my most favorite places that I've ever been, in the Smoking Mountains. Then you got you know, West Tennessee, where you got Land between the Lakes that is just such a wonderful spectacular area as well. Uh. And then you got I mean Middle Tennessee where we you know, i'd be remiss to say. I mean, I really enjoy Broadway and going to Nashville, so that's yeah, that's always a fun time too. So whenever I'm in Tennessee and Middle Tennessee, I always got to take a night or two and stop in Nashville. Yeah. Yeah, because it's not all about you know, being out in the woods or yeah, doing that. You know, you do got to have some fun sometimes. So yeah, no, it's it's it's and and the point. And I think you guys can both agree with me on this. We share very similar UH philosophies when it comes to Bigfoot research is that it's not it's not about the finding. Really it's not. It doesn't it doesn't matter if I go out and don't get any evidence of Bigfoot UH in an expedition, that means nothing to me. It's all about the journey and getting there and and the little and and seeing the sites. That's what That's the most important thing. It's it's the journey. So you know, whether weather Bigfoot's out there. Even if Bigfoot's not out there, I think we all can agree that he probably is, but I don't know I've never seen one. So hopefully. Well, it's funny you say that, because I think when everything comes to the way it's supposed to be, I think people are going to be very surprised about Matt and I's exact philosophy because we state something very similar to what you just said, Mike. Like Matt and I, I think at some point, though we would like to be have acknowledged we're probably not going to be the person that gets this video graphic piece of evidence right, But that doesn't mean we're not going to give it at all. And the quest to one enjoy being in the outdoors, which is what it's really about, forming brotherships and friendships with people that get out there with us, taking care of witnesses and helping them through the experiences they had, but also trying to gather something rather it's audio, and I think Matt and I have kind of reserved ourselves to really being comfortable collecting that audio. Now you're doing a project, Mike, and you been doing this project filming your show. You know, do you think any of us are actually going to get them on video at this point? Or do you think if the Patterson film is real? Because not everybody shares that philosophy, right, do you think that if we haven't got it by now, we're not going to get it at all? Well, here's here's the thing. So, so as a bigfoot field researcher with with you or Matt or or myself, it doesn't doesn't really matter any of us anybody that does field research. We spend a legitimate amount of time in the woods and we put ourselves in a wonderful scenario to be able to capture video evidence of a bigfoot. So with that being said, we have the probably most percent chance to get this on video. However, we are also the people who are going to be the most likely to hoax this video. Well that's a good that's a good, uh, really good point, Mike. So when. There's there's so so much that goes into it, you know you can't you can't. I mean, is the Patterson Genlin footage real? I believe. So. I think it's a really good, high quality evidence of bigfoot being out there. I think it's you know, it's really great. Have have do I strive to get video evidence of of. Of that or better myself? Absolutely? But again, if I were to say tomorrow or Sean, Hey, get this. Look at this video I found, and it's the clearest evidence of bigfoot. I know you're probably not gonna be like no, but there's gonna be a whole lot of people are gonna be like, oh, he that's a. I you fake this. There's he's doing it because you know of other reasons or whatever. And I would obviously never do anything like that. However, that doesn't really matter to the general public. It's weird how synchronous, how synchronized we are on that thought process, because you know, that's a big fear, and I think when you really, you know, break that point down, and it's one of the fears I have as a researcher. If I collect this evidence, I'm going to spend more time trying to validate it to the people that we rub elbows with and try to collect it for I think than the people that want to you know, that want it. And I think that when you're in this for so long, you know, twenty plus years or what have you, and you're just now getting this evidence, I think it's harder for people to try to take that evidence and be accepting of it. All. Well, they've been doing it for thirty years, they must be tired of coming up with nothing, so here they go with the fake stuff. So it's a it's a real catch twenty two to be in and you know, it's it's very difficult. And I even say that, I go back to, you know, when I had my sighting Mike and our listeners have heard this story at nauseum. And but. That it really shook me afterwards because I was worried I was going to lose my objectivity and I wasn't going to be able to be a credible researcher anymore. That's what really bothered me about it that now that I've had this experience, one, who's going to believe me? And two? Have I lost that part of me that is now going to be objective? And am I going to start believing everybody? Or am I going to be seen as not being objective? So it leads you down some very scary roads of thought. Yeah, it's a good point. That's a very good point. People ask me all the time, what are you going to do when you finally see a bigfoot? And I don't know, you know, I say the three p's he Cooper pass out. Probably all three don't know what order, But no, really, I mean honestly. I don't know. I don't know what what I would do. I mean, there's what you would do in the in the in the you know, in the minute that you see Bigfoot. But then it's then it's more about the question of afterwards, Like you were saying, like, what is what is your thought process gonna? What is your thought process going to do? Is it? Is it? Are you going to for me? Is it going to be like my I made up my mission to find out what threw rocks at us in Florida's wilderness, So when I see that thing, I'm going to know that it's out there? And is that going to mean like is that going to be like you know, grand Theft Auto mission complete type of thing, and like I'll be good to go? Am I going to go back to playing video games and watching TV all day? Or is that going to light a fire under me to be like, now I got to know more about these creatures. Hopefully it's the ladder, you know, but I don't know. We'll have to see. Well, I can tell you in my end it was, Uh, this bothered me so much, I think I want to quit to, you know, finally putting all that behind me and saying, you know, I really need to get into this more. And I think it re lit that fire for me and made it more more passionate, you know, really let that fire passion of getting back into this discovery. But it's not that way for everybody. The three p's are starting to resonate. Mike, you need to put that on a T shirt. Henry, you're right, Yeah, Henry's here with volume guys. Henry. What was your question for Mike? Yeah, I want to ask Mike, what is your big best hotspot for for researching Sasquatch. Yeah, we kind of talked about it. I don't know if you were in here. Whitehall, New York is really good. I love that. But really when it comes to hotspots, it's not about for me anyway. I don't like to go in hotspots because there's a lot of researchers there. There's the Bigfoot are kind of I hate to say, like squatched out, but they kind of are. You know, maybe they left the area, maybe they're not there anymore because of too many people looking for him. But I like to go where maybe there's been a lot of historical reports, maybe not enough, not something as recent. Of course, you know, if there if there was a you know, a sighting the day prior, I'm gonna go check that out. But you know, if there's been a cluster settings, I may just go somewhere a little off the off where people normally go. That's where I like to go. Cool. Does that answer your question, Henry? Yeah? Any follow up? Well, I say there's I guess a follow up. As far as you've heard about sightings of red eye creatures and also blue eyed creatures, there have been any other eye colors that you've heard about. I've heard of like almost every spectrum that you can think of. White, I've heard of like actually, like I've I've heard one of my one of my good research friends, and I don't. I don't. I've never seen bigfoot illuminate with their eyes. This this eye glow that some people say that they can do. I've never seen that. But I've had one of my good bigfoot research friends swears, I mean like a flashlight they could turn on and off. White, red, I've heard green, blue, orange, like a like an orange fire color. I've actually heard like red on the outside and then orange in the middle too. I don't almost like orbish like but not. I don't know. I've heard that before. Yeah. Wow, So Mike, overall, do you think that we're going to find a North American ape, a row tomin It or something else. That's a great question. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think anybody knows. I think we all have good thought process. I think it's a it's a human, like an old person, just. That we. Took one e the E word, the evolutionary route, and I think Bigfoot kind of paralleled us and just took a different route and used to be in cahoots with us, like back in the Native American days where we were all friendly with each other. They were the guardians of the forest type thing. Then when you know, the European white men came over with their guns and everything like that, and we started, you know, decimating everything, and there you know that we could possibly get our hands on. I think Bigfoot saw that and was like, oh man, we need to stay away from this because that's not cool. You've brought up about the Native American war. Have you researched? And I believe our area is kind of overlapped in a lot of ways. It would probably be monthsy Lenape. Have you researched any of their any of their legends, any of their stories for Bigfoot? Not as much as I I would like to, I haven't. I haven't delved deep in as much. I know. The len Lenape Indians do have this for I don't even remember the name of the the name of it, but they do have a red eyed Bigfoot type creature in their in their folklore, which is very very cool. That is that is and it's it stretches from coast to coast with all the different tribes that you know. I deal a lot with the Iroquois nation because they're close in north central PA. And to them they're the stone Giants. So but the stone giants, they they say they're hairy, covered with mud, the caked mud, which gives them that stone dish appearance. And I could see how that that story from generations it would would play out today. But the Lenny and Lenape in the in the Munsie, it's I'm still trying to dig into the into their their legend with that. So it's definitely an interesting subject. Oh for sure, for sure. I love I mean, if anybody were to know who lives in the woods. I think it would be the Native Americans. I mean, they just you know, I mean, and what's cool about it is they don't you know, they they all spoke different languages, like they weren't like cool with each other. You know, they would trade stuff every once in. A while, but they're not going to be like, hey, you see our eight foot tall friend in. The woods yesterday. You know, yeah, you know, it's not that's not like a thing that they would do. I don't think. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, could be. Well, you know, Matt, you make a good point on that, and it's something that as we've spent the weekend, you know, going through a lot of the historical part of research, and you know, we can include Mike in that area because you know, a good point part of where he does covers our you know, that blanket area we're trying to discover is look into those native native land. You know, for some reason, I think Pennsylvania and this I'm not throwing us into this umbrella, just some food for thought and some conversation. We really tend to focus on some of the paranormal aspects of this. Uh, you know, UFOs or so on and so forth. You're either so in Pennsylvania like either flesh and blood, or you're in the paranormal vicinity. But there isn't a lot of people talking about the native aspect of Bigfoot in Pennsylvania, as you would find out on the coastal areas. I was just in New York State doing southern New York State, doing an investigation yesterday. Actually someone heard reported hearing a very loud wail, like a whoop sound. And I was up there doing, you know, and we went out and I took him out and we were looking and he's he's very to the Native American lore and spiritual aspect of life and of his philosophy and everything like that, and he feels that the Native American spirits and Bigfoot are related. And he challenges us to He said, hey, did you ever have you ever incorporated a paranormal investigation into a Bigfoot expedition? And personally I haven't. However, I would be open to the idea, I think, because why not. I don't think it would hurt any Yeah, I mean, in really two birds, one stone in. That case, it's interesting you said, whale songs friends of mine, Brian and Terry Seech, and I got this information from Dave and Carry Rupert had gone up to the Kinzua over and broadcasted out whale songs to see if they could elicit a response from a bigfoot response, you know, another mammal. Do mammals speak mammal? I don't know. It's not something we've tried, and I don't know the outcome of that, but it's just funny. You said whale songs and then I'm picking up. You know, this is why more people need to compare notes, you know, so we can see, uh, you know what results we're getting out of that. And you know, I'm assuming it's that sound and how it's going to traverse through the woods, right, and see how that picks up with with others. I almost exclusively, if I don't. Call Blast bart al calls, I will call Blast exclusively blue whale calls, just because the pitch and the OC like the low vibration frequency that right, that is I mean, I know speakers can't capture that, but it's the closest that I think we could get to it. No, And I think that's something that more of us should be trying. This experimental audio it is. You know, we we tend to use the same kind of bigfoot sounds that we hear on the internet, you know, either the Sierra sounds or the the Ohio hol or the whoops, and you know, we use them without knowing what they mean, and we don't know what we're saying. Are we sending them into an alarm? Are we you know, are the answers we're getting answers we really want? We don't know because we don't speak that language. So you know, what does it hurt trying to use some of these other sounds of nature or even sounds that may you know, resonate in the same frequency Mike, So you know, kudos to that, and I think it's something we all need to try a little bit more of. You. The whole thing with audio is I love it. I love being able to hear it. I love being able to play around in it. But we just don't know what it means and that could be problematic. And it's good. It's good that we brought up about using the bart al call. And that was something I brought out when we were doing a little bit of the taping this weekend. And what I uh, what I go through. What I kind of uh put it in line with is turkey hunting. And if anyone's gone turkey hunting, what you do is you go out the night before and you get the birds to gobble when when they're up on the ruse. It's called a shot gobble. And how do you do that is you use a call and it basically shocks them to to make that call. So a bart out the peacock another gobble. Uh, if you go out during a thunderstorm in the springtime, you'll hear the turkey's gobbling after the crack of thunder. So something like that could elicit uh, you know, an answer without it, you know, without sending a question out. You know that Hey I'm you know, because again we don't know what that means. Hey I'm an available sasquatch, come and meet me, or hey, I'm going to come a basher bring this out? Yeah, because I'm I'm a we don't know, you know. So, so using the bart al caol or or a call like that is is really a great, great idea and I'm glad to hear uh, you know, people using it and getting responses. But I do have another question It's kind of a somewhat nerdy tech question here is uh And Brian just brought up about crow calls very very good too. But the question is what kind of audio equipment do you use for making the calls? Use the Fox pros until you have your own a system set up, can you explain how you do that to get that those sounds out? Yeah? I don't have any expensive equipment, so when I do vocalizations, I just I just do my myself. When I do the bart Al calls or the or the whale calls or whatever, I will use my phone and just YouTube and broadcast bluetooth them over my my speaker, which is unfortunately not the loudest thing, but it does the job, you know. Uh So, Yeah, I'm not I'm still waiting for one of those big companies to send me something cool to use. So I'll I don't know how, I'm not gonna hold my breath. Get on it. People on us too. While you're at it, we won't throw our hands out. Talking about audio real quick is in uh and uh and and vocalizations. What is cool is uh? So I love when I go up to New England because I love the sound of the common loon. I don't know if anybody's familiar with the loon sound. It's very cool. Uh. And actually I was up in Mount Blue State Park and they actually in their in their visitor center, they have a thing that you can make a loom call with. It's it's really cool. It sounds just like it. It's a it's a rope and a piece of plastic and it's really cool. You pull in it spens. I use that all over the country. And I do that because it's different. A bigfoot in Florida has never heard a loon before, and they're going to be like, what in the world is that? And then they're going to come in and check it out. And that's what we want. That's the whole point of what we want for when it comes to Bigfoot research. We want Bigfoot to come in and check us out so we can get that bigfoot on camera. So I'll use I haven't used it in a long time, but I'll use fireworks. I know that's like some people say that's like a big no no. But if you do it like one or two, that's that's not crazy. Maybe a smoke bomb, that's an intriguing kind of little thing. One of my favorite research methods is to actually get like a bunch of old CDs, which I don't know if you're familiar, but they they they're like music things. They came in because they came in a thing and you put them inside. They play music. It's weird, but you get them, and they could they have like a reflecting side. You hang them with fish line from a tree. You get like thirty of them, hang them from a tree and you they're there. You know, it's like a disco ball, shine around. Put double sided tape on the non reflective side. Uh, you know, make the ground all nice and saturated for you know, whatever may come in and check it out. So Bigfoot's gonna come in. Check out this reflecting spinning thing hanging from a tree that's never been there before. Grab it. You're gonna get a fingerprint on one side, you're gonna get a hair sample from the double sided tape on the other side, and you're gonna get a footprint from the ground from where he stood. I think that's the best way to get evidence. Absolutely, absolutely great idea. As it worked. No, but that's okay. Yes, I will see that. You're trying that's all you did, absolutely now, and you keep trying until you either realize it's never gonna work or you get something from it. So I am very stubborn headed. So it's I'm never going to give up. So that's the problem. That's even better. Yeah, ran out of Britney's Fear CDs, so I'm gonna. It's not incredible sort of trap to use either, Mike. You know, it's if you can get the CDs, you know, and at this point, like you said, folks even know what CDs are. You know, it's. Yeah, it works, Mike. What kind of messaging do you want to put the people out there who may just be getting involved in this or might be nervous about sharing their experiences with with folks like us. Yeah, it's just the community itself is a wonderful, just incredible, filled with incredible people. Yeah, any community, you're going to get some bad apples and that's just a given. But for the most part, like I ad a big Foot festival or a conference, I generally don't have a problem leaving all my merch on the table and go into the bathroom, Like I don't think people are going to steal stuff, And I can't say that about other festivals and conferences that I go to. So the community itself is wonderful. You have a bunch of wonderful people that you could share and open up to that are not going to judge or laugh or mock or make fun of anybody. And it's just, you know, it's bigfooting itself is just it's just it's changed my life. It's changed everybody's life here for the better. I think, you know, it's it's not it's not a bad thing. Even if you don't get into bigfoot itself. Maybe you know it's not for everybody walking around the woods at night looking for an eight foot tall by people. Crime may not be for everybody, like I get. It, But that doesn't mean you can't get into other things like photography or hiking or backpacking survivalist stuff like I can now rub two sticks together and make a fire. Sometimes I wouldn't, like, don't don't count on it for survival at. All, but maybe yeah, yeah. It's possible that I could make it sometimes, So that's cool. But yeah, Matt always had something to start a fire with, yeah, or lighter I. Just I mean, that just seems a lot easier. But yeah, no, big footing is great. My mission statement for for bigfoot is is to you know, is just to get friends and families off the couch and into nature. You know, That's that's just fundamentally why I do it, especially you know you guys. I've I've shared my growing up stories in front of the TV screens. So getting outside every chance I can get is just I'm making up lost time. I think That's why I'm out so much. That's why I tech camp as much I do. I think I'm making up on lost time that I missed out on on my childhood growing up. I don't know. That's that's getting deep right there, let me tell you it is. Yeah. You know, Matt and I always talk about how much better we mentally feel after being out in the woods, you know, and spending time in nature, spending time with your friends, going after some sort of common goal, and you know, the physical healthy get too. You know, I translated from an active job to a desk job and a packing on the pounds. So getting out there in the woods and especially on Matt's short trips, you know, they you you started to get that back. There's a lot of benefits to being out in the woods and doing this and Mike, we're glad you stopped by and joining with us tonight. Worre you next? And where can folks find out more about you? Yeah? Next? I got a couple days off. My next event is September. Twenty sixth, and yeah, twenty seventh, and yeah twenty sixth, twenty seventh and twenty eight something like that. Last weekend of September, I'm in nor in Virginia. I am m. Seeing the Wood Bugger Festival. Me and Charlie Raymond are going to be hanging out and doing some squatchy stuff on there, which is going to be awesome. And then I kind of slow down to some local libraries. If anybody's interested in learning more about me and my journey, they could go to my YouTube channel. It's called Sussex County bigfoot enj or you just search in the shadow of Big red Eye. Don't type in red eye because I don't come up makeup tatorials do and I don't know if you want to see that. And then yeah, I'm on the website shadow of Redeye dot com that says all my upcoming appearances. We're looking for help for the show. We're looking for a couple of positions to fill. So if anybody's interested in helping out the show, check out the website. You can't miss it. We have a rock and Instagram too at see if you want to help support the show, buy some buy a magnet or a sticker like that helps a little bit. But the real way, guys, just please if you could just head over and subscribe to that YouTube show. Guys, I'm kind of making money on YouTube now, so let's keep that rolling. And you know, why not. It's not a lot. I'll get me wrong, it's. Not a lot. Every little bit helps Mike, right. And you know it's a fun you know, as big Foot Field researchers. I don't know if people realize that we don't make a lot of money. No, we spend a lot, spend an awful lot. But you know, Mike to your point, you know, every little bit helps Matt. Before we end the show tonight, I did want to give you an opportunity to plug an event that's happening as well at the end of the month. Oh, I appreciate that. So September twenty seventh, In fact, actually I just pulled it up right here. We will be doing the North Central Pennsylvania Town Hall at the Austin Cramp Ground at Nelson Run in southern Potter County, and we have myself, Sean and Gwen Gwen Purcell from gott Knockers and visit her her page they gott Knockers website. It is fantastic. The three of us are going to be discussing about the ongoing research up there, our own experiences, and then we're also going to be sitting back in taking reports. Later on that evening we're going to organize a night hike and have some fun. So it's a great area. It's an absolutely untouched area up there. The reports are coming in. We just had a class A back in April, so it is a fantastic, fantastic area. So and it's a great weekend to be out, So take take a quick day trip up to Potter County, see me, Sean and Glen and have a good time. Folks would also be remiss if we didn't take it. Just a moment to acknowledge the passing of luminary doctor Jeff Meldrim, wh we've had a little memorial tribute to at the top corner of the page here all evening. Sad is the only word that comes to mind about this, and we will be hosting a memorial show at some point. We just felt give it a little time. We've got a lot of memorial shows going on out there, there was one going on tonight. Didn't want to steal anybody's thunder or have folks choose who they wanted to go listen to to pay tribute to doctor Meldrim. So very sad. Condolences go out to his family and all his friends and those of you that were really close to doctor Meldrim, someone I've worked with on and offer over the years. I wouldn't say we were best buddies, but definitely you know, friendly, you know, acquaintance acquaintances. So just really sad. But we didn't want to take the whole temperature of the show down. We wanted to keep it a little light hearted and fun, and I think we succeeded in that. So there'll be something forthcoming. Henry, why don't you take us out with those dulcet tones. You'll be good. It'd be good. It doesn't get better than that. Folks, keep on squatch and we'll see in two weeks. Mike, thanks for joining us, and folks. Thanks for having me. Yep, welcome to everybody. You've been listening to The Sasquatch Experience. Please rate and review wherever this podcast is consumed. For more information, please go to our website Sasquatch Experience dot com. Keep on squatching